Thomas Hawk's Digital Connection

Tuesday, June 06, 2006

Photographing Architecture is Still Not a Crime, Police Harrasment at 45 Fremont Street

I Was Assaulted By This Man Who Identified Himself as a Police Officer and Refused to Provide me Identification, Photography is Not a Crime

So I know that I write a lot about being harassed for my photography on the streets of San Francisco and for some this story may be getting old. I shoot every day though and at least once or twice a month have a run in with a security guard or authority figure of some sort somewhere. Typically I can resolve these episodes on my own amicably with the individual involved, but sometimes things go over the line. In the past year I've blogged about three of these incidents that crossed the line. One was when a security guard at One Bush was following me around the sidewalk trying to put his hand in front of my camera and not allowing me to shoot the building. Another was when the Sheriff's Department detained me and ran what I consider an illegal background check on me merely for shooting near the train tracks in Oakland. Another was when a particular nasty altercation took place between me and a security guard who came out of 45 Fremont middle finger a'blazin' to insist that I not shoot that building.

But today's episode was the worst I've encountered so far. Ironically enough, it occurred once again outside of 45 Fremont Street. This was even after I spoke with a PR person from the Shorenstein owned property who apologized to me for my treatment and assured me that I would find a more tolerant atmosphere at that property in the future.

Today, aqui-ali (another local Flickr photographer), helveticaneue (in from out of town) and I went out to do a bit of shooting. Since Aqui had a meeting down on 2nd Street later this afternoon we decided to head that way and shoot the Transbay Terminal. 45 Fremont was in our path and we were shooting some photos of it as we were walking by. It was then that the security guard there told us that we could not shoot the building. When I explained that we were in a public area and had a right to shoot the building he insisted and called another security guard over on his radio who also tried to get us to stop taking pictures of the building. I still refused as it is my right to shoot buildings in San Francisco from a public area.

45 Fremont Security Guard and Police Officer
45 Fremont Security Guard and "Police Officer" who refused to provide identification after physically asaulting me.

It was at this point that things went from bad to worse. At this point an individual came over who identified himself as a police officer and told us to get out of the plaza, off the sidewalk and to physically stand on the asphalt in the street where the cars were driving by. When I tried to object this individual (who was significantly larger than me) assaulted me and forcibly grabbed my arm quite hard and pulled me towards the street. When I freed myself from his grip I told him that I was going to take his photograph. He told me that I could not take his photograph and that if I did that I could "watch what would happen to my camera."

I took his photograph anyways and that is him up there at the top of the story. Once he had us physically on the asphalt in the traffic off the sidewalk I once again asked him for his identification and asked to see his badge. He refused to provide me his identification and refused to show me his badge. It is my understanding that when someone identifies themselves as a police officer that I have a right to see their identification proving this fact. This prevents anyone from falsely impersonating police officers and abusing a false authority. I asked him at least five times to see his badge and he refused. He continued to confer with the security guards at the building though.

I believe that this individual either committed an illegal act by illegally impersonating a police officer or by acting in the capacity of a police officer while refusing to provide me proof or his badge when asked. Worse, he physically assaulted me and threatened me. I've even got a bruise and a pretty sore arm where he grabbed me.

This should not happen just because a hobbyist decides to take photographs of a building from a public area on the streets of San Francisco. This was abuse. I do not know in what capacity this individual was working with security at 45 Fremont but they were complicit and also forced us to stand off the sidewalk on the street asphalt. helveticaneue and aqui-ali were both present and witnessed this happening as well.

Update: I just received an email back from my contact from my previous run in with 45 Fremont with The Shorenstein Company who told me that while his security guards witnessed the incident that it was actually the security guards at 50 Beale Street and *not* the Shorenstein guards that I had this problem with today. He also told me that he thinks this "policeman" is a security officer working for a tenant in that building. If anyone knows which tenant that this might be at 50 Beale I'd appreciate that information. I am also going to try and contact management of 50 Beale to hopefully work this situation out.

Update #2: Today I:

1. Filed a police report. The case has been assigned to an Officer O'Reily. I have his phone number and will be checking in with him on the progress. I also confirmed with the desk officer at the Tenderloin Police Station (the closest to my work) that if a citizen requests ID from a police officer that an officer is required to provide it. This officer also told me that it is department policy not to touch someone without first showing your badge. He told me that he did not think that this individual was a police officer and that he did not recognize him.

2. I stopped by the building and spoke with Brad Meyers, the property manager. According to Brad, the individual in the photograph as well as the security guard assisting the individual in the photograph do not work for the building. Brad told me that he believed that the individual who assaulted me worked for Bechtel but did not know his name. Brad also appologized to me for the incident and told me that photography in fact is allowed in the public park area next to 50 Beale St. He said that occasionally protocol will be to have a photographer sign a waiver to release the building from any liability should they injure themselves but that it was not protocol to force photographers into the street as had been done to me. He has put a call in with Bechtel's security and is going to follow up with me later.

Brad also told me that Bechtel does not own the building but is a tenant.

3. I spoke today with Mike Meehan who is Vice President and Assistant General Council for Allied Barton Security Services, the company that employed the gentleman who originally requested that I not take photographs. Mike is on the East Coast and has put a call in to his West Coast office to try and determine what happened from their perspective. He is going to be in contact with me and will follow up with me on this. I asked him if he would provide me the name of the individual for my police report if he is an employee of their company and he said that he would need to take that under advisement.

Will continue to update with details as available.


Update #3:

Bechtel Letter

In response to my run in with an unidentified individual who identified himself as a police officer, assaulted me and refused to show me identification as a police officer, I received this letter from Bechtel Corporation yesterday.

I have again asked for the name of the individual who identified himself as a police officer and requested Bechtel tell me what if any disciplinary action was taken against this individual.

While Bechtel still refuses to confirm whether or not the individual who harrassed and assaulted me is an employee of theirs, it is probably fair to assume that they would not be sending an apology letter were he not. I will continue to pursue this though and am confident that I will be able to get more information with regards to this case.

163 Comments:

Anonymous Carl said...

I'd file a police report. They won't likely take you seriously and may roundfile it right after you leave, but assault and impersonating a police officer are both crimes.

4:29 PM  
Blogger Joe Reifer said...

Next time if you are physically assaulted, I would call the police immediately, and demand to file a report while at the scene with a REAL police officer, not some pushy rent-a-cop.

Sounds like it may be time for another photography meetup outside of 45 Fremont.

4:33 PM  
Blogger Des Paroz said...

Thomas, this is an amazing story.

I'd certainly file a police report for assault. You have photographic ID and you have corroborating witnesses.

I would also seek a meeting with the building owners (especially after the last altercation), and get an apology from them.

Or you could consider filing some sort of suit against them, as their employees acted outside their legal rights in a public place.

Hell, they can't even assault you on their premises, let alone in a public place.

Mate, good luck.

4:40 PM  
Anonymous aqui-ali said...

I am willing to file a complaint if this guy can be identified. He was an utter jerk and was in my opinion impersonating an officer. As far as I know this is illegal.

Anyone know who he is?

4:52 PM  
Blogger Jackson said...

If the guy works there, go back tomorrow with a cop. You have multiple witnesses to charges of assault and battery and impersonating an officer. Even if he's deputized, then you can still file assault charges and charges for his refusal to show identification to the Office of Citizen Complaints.

If he is an officer or deputized, let me know -- I have a couple of contacts who can bring this up directly with the Police Commission.

4:56 PM  
Blogger Dave Zatz said...

File a police report.

4:57 PM  
Anonymous Ehm said...

I'd reccomend filing a police report too.

5:37 PM  
Anonymous The Gain Card said...

by the way, the pic of the prick in question is very well taken!

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

A bruise and a sore arm? Get over it you pansy.

5:41 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time to get fatty fired.

5:42 PM  
Anonymous Paul said...

I always carry this PDF
http://www.krages.com/phoright.htm
The Photographer's Rights

5:45 PM  
Blogger Marc said...

if you file a complaint with the police and it involves impersonating a police officer you can be damn sure that they take that seriously...

If however he was a real cop, you can expect that nothing will really happen.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have had simular problems, In my home town we have large chemical plants and they are very photogenic. The rent a cops would love to "get thier hands" on me for "security reasons". I learned to click and move.

5:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Look at the huge mound of fat pooled underneath his face, yuck. Next time, carry a box of Krispy Kreme's in your car for just such an emergency.

5:46 PM  
Blogger Seth Anderson said...

Really, what an ass this "police" guy is.

Also, SF seems to be a rather uptight town. Granted I don't take as many architecture photos in a month as you take in a day, but I have only been harassed once in Chicago in my 12 years taking photos here, and it was very lackadaisical harassment at that (Boeing Corp. headquarters).

5:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

file a police report

5:56 PM  
Blogger Brian Walsh said...

This is aboslutely horrible! Personally, I think a police report should be filed. Following that, we should gather for a photography meetup outside of the building. With the report on file, any altercation will provide additional support to the initial report. It is unbelievable that this continues to happen to you at the same place.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous forota said...

50 beale is the corporate headquarters for bechtel. i worked in that building for a couple of years (for another tenant in the building). bechtel's george schulz/middle east construction connections has made that building the site of lots of (harmless but inconvenient) protests. there was visible "beefed up" private contractor-type security for a while after the start of the iraq war three years ago, i suspect you may have encountered one of those gentlemen.

definitely file a complaint; that was needlessly aggressive if not illegal behavior from that security guard.

5:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seriously doubt he is a Cop, file a report right away. Impersonating a police officer is a very serious offense and it is taken as such by the police.
If they own the sidewalk (not unheard of) they can direct you off the property (but not physically compel you, that is in fact assault). If you refuse a direct order to leave private property from a dully appointed Representative you could be arrested for trespassing, regardless of if the area remains open to others.
Once your back on public land though (as you well know) you can happy shoot away.
You should drop a line to a couple of the TV agencies as well. I have seen reports get very worked up being told things like they can't shoot a building (in my case a Casino) from the street, and do a whole expose over it.

6:09 PM  
Anonymous Oli said...

You take fantastic photos by the way. Good luck getting some justice.

6:15 PM  
Blogger Adam Edwards said...

This "not allowed to take pictures anywhere" precedence has got to stop. Do you think the police of the day would have stopped Van Gogh from painting a city scene?

6:26 PM  
Blogger Davis Freeberg said...

I bet they would have stopped him from cutting his ear off.

6:42 PM  
Blogger Ryan Russell said...

As an earlier commenter said, 50 Beale is Bechtel corporate headquarters. I assume the train car is still in the plaza there. I used to work there as well. They may no longer directly occupy every floor of the building, but I'd be rather surprised if they didn't control the doors, and hence the security guards.

Your life, of course, but I'd ideally like to see you press assault charges and file a report about him claiming to be a police officer.

6:57 PM  
Anonymous Brassard said...

Too bad for that guy. He has know idea who he is dealing with. Put him in his place Thomas.

7:05 PM  
Anonymous Richard said...

Definitely file a police report. Do not wait...

7:12 PM  
Blogger Dave! said...

File a police report. If this man was an officer, he should be disciplined. If not, he needs to be arrested for impersonating a police officer and for assault.

I really think you have a duty to photographers everywhere to press charges against him.

7:31 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you carry a cell phone?

Next time some so-called cop assaults you (that's when he puts you in fear of an imminent touching -- he doesn't need to lay a finger on you. The touching is battery), you break out the cell phone and say that you are going to call 911. If he advances, call. If the guy is a cop, you are helping him (right?), if he isn't, you need to think about your safety.

If that is Bechtel headquarters, they undoubtedly hire the same type of Blackwater semi-merc dipshits we're used to seeing thanks to Halliburton and Co running our foreign policy. Fat boy needs to learn he's in America, and 911 on your speed dial is one way to help his education.

8:20 PM  
Anonymous nepenthes said...

Have you filed a police report yet? This is outrageous and unacceptable!
I would`ve pulled out my cell phone right away!
Good luck and please, do keep us informed of the outcome of it all.

9:07 PM  
Anonymous schwerd said...

an observation...the title of the photo and blog post are "police" harrasment.....just to be clear....and you are, if someone reads the whole post...this IS NOT police harrassment...you yourself have said that all info you have says this guy is not a cop....to be fair, you should re-title the article.....and no one with any authority accused you of a crime, just some private security guards just don't want you shooting their building. You were harrassed and assaulted....that's not at issue...and you know many of us support your efforts and are keenly interested in how this plays out....but in the interest of open, fair and honest 'journalism' and blogging....it seems changing the title is the right thing to do....just cuz the jerk tried to impress/scare you by claiming to be a cop, doesn't make it so. And the SFPD have a whole mess of problems that they actually have foisted on themselves....without additional false or misleading accusations.

from a purely practical point of view...if you are going to file a police report and try to take some further action and you want police help in investigating same, it probably wouldn't hurt to not falsely accuse the police of the act in the title of the blog post.

9:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How interesting that the "cop" has a jacket EXACTLY the same color as the guard's hat.

Where did he come from? A beat cop would've probably come up the sidewalk. Not that undercover beat cops responding to calls seems very likely anyway.

How long did it take him to get there? This could help pinpoint how far away he was. If an officer on foot is responding to a call it'll take him a few minutes to get there, whereas a security supervisor could show up very quickly.

The earpiece--do SF beat cops wear these? If they do they're probably all alike. Comparing his earpiece to that of a real cop could be informative. I've never seen one of these on a real cop (I'm in San Diego) but I see them a lot on private security, especially supervisory types.

What are SFPD's physical fitness requirements? I doubt this lump could pass any sort of fitness test. And I can't imagine he's be in such sorry shape if he was regularly walking a beat.

10:36 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hmmmm.

Bechtel. That complicates things. Do undercover federal agents have the right to describe themselves as police? A garden variety rentacop certainly doesn't, but do you think Bechtel is ...um... special enough for special protection?

Still outrageous, one way or the other.

11:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very possible the man in the photos may be an off duty police officer working a second job. I've even seen an assistant DA from another county carrying a gun and badge on his belt working security.

12:27 AM  
Blogger Josh Drvsh said...

Get a picture of your bruises, too. Better to have someone else get them, but get them and quickly. If it's large, i.e. bigger than a dime, then hold up a dime next to it to give a sense of proportion.

If you're in pain enough that your arm naturally now, falls at an angle or your shoulders are higher than normal, than take pictures of yourself holding the body position the pain directs you to hold yourself up/in.

This is called evidence, at least the kind a responding officer will take seriously.

12:53 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I seriously doubt that mound of mashed potatoes can pass a police physical. He's got to be a rent-a-cop.

12:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey, Thomas. Please keep this up and don't let it go; people like this should not be able to lie, harass and intimidate others unchecked. Imagine all the people he has done this to in the past who knew of no recourse. Good luck it teaching this guy a lesson, and keep up the good work.

1:02 AM  
Anonymous Nicolai said...

Please, don't let this goon get away with it!

1:40 AM  
Anonymous Fenster said...

I'm in Ireland but I've had that reaction in and around construction sites in the past where contractors haven't been too pleased that someone was photographing their illegal work conditions.

As everyone else has said and pretty redundantly at that, I don't see how he could be a police officer and I do think you should be filing charges.

1:49 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thomas,

This post is far more effective than a police report.

Next action, let's get down to 50 Beale.

A Supporter

2:01 AM  
Blogger Donncha said...

Damn, that was a bad confrontation. Thankfully I've never had as bad an experience as that here in Ireland.

Donncha

3:02 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

one thing "real" cops really hate is fake cops saying they are "real" cops.

flickr party at 45 fremont?

3:40 AM  
Blogger San Francisco Taxi Driver said...

You should absolutely file a police report on this nut-case. Anyone who is falsely impersonating a police officer is downright dangerous. Cops have a very particular authority over the general population and they are subject to review should they abuse their authority. A fake cop undermining the law and freedom. He is a criminal.

3:55 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Thank your government for stirring this climate of fear and paranoia.

The first victim of any ‘war’ is always freedon.

4:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

If people like this get away with such behaviors, more people will think they can behave that way.

Slowly it becomes OK to do that and sooner than you can say "oh no" respect of law is replaced by respect of violence.

From respect of violence on it's only downhill to neo fascism

4:14 AM  
Anonymous Issue Spotter said...

If you are tired of this treatment you should get organized and try to make it a public issue. This blog is great, but it alone is unlikely to cause change.

You should document the incident. Get together your photos and writings about the confrontation so you can coherently relate it to investigators and media people. Take photographs of your injury immediately. As an earlier poster said, place a dime or other small object near your bruise to give a sense of scale.

You should file a police report. Inform them that someone claiming to be a police officer grabbed you and physically placed you in the street when you were taking pictures of their building. While the company's security agents have the right to exclude you from the property, which may include the sidewalk, they cannot physically force you from it. They are required to call the cops for that. Once your report is filed, call weekly to ask about progress.

Find out who employs the man who grabbed you, and complain. Present them the police report, your photos, and demand that they discipline their man for using force. The force is the real issue here. Security professionals know the law. They guy messed with you because he thought he could get away with it. Don't prove him right.

Try to enlist the local press. Try the SF Weekly and Guardian. Do a some of the reporter's leg work yourself before you meet him or her. Namely, get contact information for other photographers who met with similar harsh treatment at buildings around the city.

If you can, protest. Get as many photographers as possible together in front of the building to wave banners and take photos. If you set it up I'll be there.

If you have gobs of time and money, a civil assault case is a possibility. You won't be able to find a lawyer who works on contingency because there isn't any pay off at the end. But if you have money to burn and want to burn it, this could be fun.

It's a lot to do, but these building owners' photo policies are a pain for artsits, tourists, and local shutterbugs alike. Perhaps your campaign could convince building owners to allow us to take exterior shots from their plazas, but at the very least their guards must stop assaulting us.

4:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Except for the mustache, dude looks like Wally from the Dilbert cartoon.

Good luck.

4:59 AM  
Anonymous Randall said...

You know what would be hysterical?

A group of at least 10 photographers (or more if at all possible) congregating there to shoot the buildings in the area simultaneously.

The rent-a-cops can't stop all of them at once.

By the way, I've had similar hassles in Hong Kong when shooting buildings from public spaces.

5:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'd carry a stun gun and use it on the fat man as soon as he touched me. Assualt is assualt and you have the right to defend yourself.

Let's see him take 40,000 volts!

5:24 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He looks like Wilford Brimley after a bad bowl of oatmeal.

5:38 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't mean to put a downer on the feedback here, which is pretty unanimous that you should file a police report. But here's my opinion: you are a complete idiot if you left the scene without calling 911, getting a real cop on the scene, and insisting on filing a report. The police are prejudiced to believe that anyone who leaves the scene of a crime is guilty of something. Innocent victims wait for help; the guilty flee. By failing to file the report instantly, before you left the scene, you have seriously weakened your position with the authorities. Any defense attorney worth his salt will tell a jury that you didn't really believe a crime was committed and only filed a complaint after all your online friends pushed you to do it. After all, if you had thought a crime was really committed, you would have reported it immediately. The defense will use this untimeliness to suggest that you made up all the details and it was all just a misunderstanding.

This is just nuts. Someone assaults you and you just leave, blog about it, and fritter away your opportunity to make a timely complaint? Unbelievable!!!!

5:57 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

if you haevn't already, file a police report! Otherwise this all amounts to nothing.
-michael

6:09 AM  
Anonymous John Piercy said...

call the cops ,, find out this so-called cops employer and press charges

I like the idea of a SF Flickr Meetup
very soon, wish I was closer , Id attend ,,,

Make sure you have video footage next time ,,

Dont let them push you around ,,

JP from Canada

6:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bad bowl of oatmeal...hehe.

6:41 AM  
Anonymous Paul said...

If you do not file a police report, you're just as bad as he is. YOU are responsible for letting this continue. Impersonating a police officer is a serious offense, and so is physical harrassment.

6:43 AM  
Anonymous Scott Anderson said...

UH, I have to agree - you should have called the police immediately. You'll get a lot of support here on the blog - but you sort of blew it by not immediately calling the police.

But, by all means, get three or four more photographers, and go back down. That way, there's someone to photograph "The Donut Killer" manhandling you - and someone to call the police when he tries to impersonate one.

7:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

why do you keep getting targeted for harassment? do you look like a terrorist or something? middle eastern, long beard? unless you fit some sort of terrorist stereotype it does not make sense that you would get so much harassment from this.

7:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The bell curve assures us that at least half the people we meet are of below average intelligence. This is bogus behavior on their part but I wouldn't really let it get you down.

In Philadelphia, I've been approached many times where police or private security ask me what I am doing with my camera. I tell them I'm taking pictures (duh). That is always the end of it. I've even been waved onto private property by the water company to get a better picture of a reservoir.

In fact, I carry my SLR camera with me when geocaching because it provides such a good, easy to understand, cover story.

I've got no problem with being approached by law enforcement. That's their job and I am glad to see them interacting with people vs. cruising in the patrol car.

Fight the power. Keep up the good work.

7:25 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File a police report, and photograph the BRUISE, Hawk. That is money in the bank, should you choose to pursue a civil case.
I'm just sayin'...

7:34 AM  
Blogger Nathan said...

Man, forget the police report....show up there with 100 people with camreas and have them all click away!!!! Maybe go by yourself first and draw the guy into a confrontation, then have everyone else whip our their cameras (and give the guy the finger while they are at it).

7:42 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just to add to the comments suggesting more people go down there and take pictures...

I say start off with one person taking pictures. Let the guard get worked up a little, then point out to him one other photographer taking pictures of the event. Once he is a little more worked up, add more photographers. Keep adding photographers until you've got hundreds all standing around the building taking pictures.

Hell, maybe circle the building with photographers for the fun of it.

I wish I lived in SF, because I'd show up. Make an event of it.

8:29 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sounds like it's time for a photoswarm. Get a dozen of your closest photographer friends to descend on the place at around lunchtime (maximize your exposure to the public). This kind of bullshit should be thrown right back at 'em. They need to brush up on their "training."

8:44 AM  
Blogger ItsJustMe said...

Hope you file a police report. Be sure to follow up and ask what action has been taken on it.
Just to be clear, "assault" is threatening a person. When they touch you, that's "battery". Be sure to get your terms right when you file the report.

8:56 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is quite common in Los Angeles, where even the LAPD will roust you for photographing a building. God forbid you try to take some video or the Post 9/11 assclowns will really take offense.

9:38 AM  
Anonymous tj said...

i don't know if anybody has mentioned this idea or not, but you should file a police report! ;-)

thanks for sharing this story. next time i'm in SF, i'll make sure to stop by and photograph this building. even if it's from across the street ... nothing they can do there!

9:46 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

File a complaint with the police, ASAP. Don't let it go stale. Impersonating an officer is serious business.

By the way, you take amazing shots of angry people! Rich colors, great DoF... just great shots all around. My lens cap is off to you, good sir.

10:17 AM  
Anonymous cirrostratus said...

Impersonating a police officer is a crime, grabbing someone off the sidewalk and forcing them into street traffic is a crime, too.

You've got photos of the guy who did it, get a cop and point this cop impersonator out to him.

10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bullshit - if you haven't filed a police report - you are letting people assault citizens and impersonate police. The FIRST thing yiou should have done is taken your evidence to the DA or PD and also contact a civil attorney.

The fact that you rushed home to blog it makes it about 1000% less credible to me.

I hope this loser gets what he deserves - but apparently you'll be no help seeing that it happens. Maybe he'll push a pregnant lady off the curb next time - at least she'll have a pair if balls to contact LE.

10:19 AM  
Anonymous Christophe said...

Being a fellow photographer, I support you 200%!

This is outrageous and you should def. file a complain to the police.

11:08 AM  
Blogger Jon said...

Good for you, Thomas, for standing up them. I definitely would have done the same.

12:23 PM  
Blogger DigitalVisionaries said...

The masses are forced to use online social networks to replace their social life due to oppressive work conditions.

The Web: Social networking searches
Media mogul Martha Stewart is launching an online social network for women -- joining other entrepreneurs who are starting similar projects and are collectively propelling social networks into the mainstream of the Internet, sources tell UPI's The Web. The movement is becoming so pervasive that other media companies, including Google.com, with its Google Co-Op, and Yahoo! with its purchase of Del.icio.us, are starting search engines specifically for online communities -- creating veritable miniature Internets within the global Internet.
There are even search engines, like Fun Mobility's Connect engine, for those on the go, with mobile phones, who can't bear to be away from their online community for more than a few minutes. By Gene Koprowski
hitech@upi.com
http://www.washingtontimes.com/upi/20060607-080143-6302r.htm

2:33 PM  
Anonymous Uncle Roger said...

Definitely file a report -- especially since he either falsely claimed to be a police officer or refused to show his ID. Note that not only did he assault you, but it sounds like he put you in harms way by forcing you into the street (where you could have been hit by a car).

You might want to print and carry a few copies of this brochure about photographer's rights.

3:01 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you looking to take pictures or are you looking for a fight? Blow off the grief he caused you and go have a blast taking pictures of fascinating things. Don't give him another minute of your time. You're giving him power over your life. Choose to move on. -Alisa

4:52 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

He looks like a cousin of jabba the hutt

6:43 PM  
Blogger Mac said...

Speak to them in the language that they understand. The man is employed by some large corporation. Sue them,and him, for his ilegal behavior which deprived you of your legal rights and injured you. Win or lose you will get their attention. I think a flickr swarm is the right way for the SF community to handle this. Here is something that clearly affects each of us.

7:17 PM  
Blogger cliff michaels said...

I would suggest you find an attorney and see if you have a serious enough claim to warrant a lawsuit. As an attorney, and photographer, I can assure you the individuals who detained and harrassed you had absolutely no right to do so. They - and their corporate masters - are liable to you. It may not be worth pursuing, but at least get a consultation...

8:11 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

>Are you looking to take pictures or
>are you looking for a fight? Blow off
>the grief he caused you and go have a
>blast taking pictures of fascinating
>things. Don't give him another minute
>of your time. You're giving him power >over your life. Choose to move on.
>-Alisa

What awful advice. Remember: Only a small minority ever stand up to oppression. Why not join the long list of humanities finest people by standing up for your rights? You may not be standing in front of a government tank or harboring political prisoners in your basement but even the smallest acts have some weight. Be a patriot. Fight tyranny.

8:19 PM  
Blogger CameraDawktor said...

Dude, that's so freaky!

9:54 PM  
Blogger shmooth said...

let me guess... that guy is... a former stormtrooper - turned - cop, kicked off the force after raping children repeatedly, couldn't find work elsewhere, so he went to where all child-molesting, out-of-work, kicked-off-the-police-force, former stormtroopers go - Bechtel Security. am i right?

Cops, man. Terrorists with badges.

12:16 AM  
Blogger The High Visionate said...

I'm a police dispatcher as well as a photographer and my advice is to get the non-emergency dispatch number for your local police department (though I am certain that in this case good ol 911 would have been appropriate).

I also agree with the other commenter about calling the police right then and there. It makes it much easier for the real police to get things taken care of then reporting it after the fact.

9:25 AM  
Blogger Derrell said...

You really ought to file a police report...

9:49 AM  
Blogger hexod.us said...

"Are you looking to take pictures or are you looking for a fight? Blow off the grief he caused you and go have a blast taking pictures of fascinating things. Don't give him another minute of your time. You're giving him power over your life. Choose to move on. -Alisa"

This is pretty ridiculous.

If you don't stand up, then you are forcing someone else to have to when it happens to them. If nobody else does it then it continues to happen.

Sometimes you have to look beyond the dictates of your immediate surroundings and work to affect the bigger picture.

By not doing anything you are saying that you are OK with this. And if that is what you think Alissa, then I respectfully disagree with your position.

11:08 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Terrible, that guy is unbelievable. In fact, when I saw the picture I remembered an incident where I was running with a group of joggers into a shopping mall on Front or Second Street in Downtown SF about two years ago. We were stopped by the same guy or at least somebody who looked just like him. He was a security guard and very annoying.

4:02 PM  
Blogger T said...

Questions:

1. If you had a similar problem in the exact same plaza previously, why did you go back there again? Looking for trouble?


2. "He told me that I could not take his photograph....I took his photograph anyways"

Why provoke him?


3. Why was your priority not to call the police right away? Instead you reached for your camera and shot pictures and then went home and posted the pictures and story on your blog. Don't you think that had you called the police, everyone would be better off and the guy who assaulted you could be behind bars instead of at large?

7:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

All of us have probably had run-ins with security guards (or even cops) who are on a power-trip. Regardless, why provoke them? Doing so just stoops to their level.

I agree that the guy shouldn't have manhandled you. Furthermore, he should have produced identification. Understandibly, you're angry. I would be too.

But complaining about it on your blog doesn't solve the problem -- it just makes it worse because you get other people frustrated and angry.

Please, file a police report and start by pursuing this through the "proper channels". Only when that don't work is it time to escalate things.

8:26 PM  
Blogger Celynnen said...

"Bechtel. That complicates things. Do undercover federal agents have the right to describe themselves as police? A garden variety rentacop certainly doesn't, but do you think Bechtel is ...um... special enough for special protection?"

Regardless of whether Bechtel is "special enough", federal agents will identify themselves as federal police and will be able to read you section and code of what law they feel you are in violation of. So will your friendly policeman if he truly is a sworn officer.

I work for the DoD just across the street from there. Next time someone harrasses you, drop me a line and I'll come out there with *my* camera. . . it's a felony to assault a federal employee =oD

8:36 PM  
Blogger Andrea said...

I reckon, although correct me if i am wrong...that you live in a culture where 'fear' and 'suspicion' have been perpetuated, encouraged even by an administration/government on a so-called war against terror. It doesn't suprise me that people are paranoid about people taking photos of buildings/train tracks etc.

3:34 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Get a life, all of you !!!!

2:48 PM  
Anonymous Roger Krueger said...

Tristan saidQuestions:

1. If you had a similar problem in the exact same plaza previously, why did you go back there again? Looking for trouble?


I doubt it, and if he did, good for him. If someone is continuing to lie, threaten and bully it's in everyone's best interest if they're exposed repeatedly.

2. "He told me that I could not take his photograph....I took his photograph anyways"

Why provoke him?


Why give someone a break just because they're being an unreasonable jerk? Someone asks me nicely to do something I'm pretty likely to comply. Someone starts spouting legal fiction and threatening me I figure it's a public service to be a jerk right back, within the bounds of the law and a concern for physical safety. I haven't always been as polite as Thomas :-)

3. Why was your priority not to call the police right away?

Probably because the police are unlikely to do jack. As long as the guard is willing to perjure himself and deny he ever claimed to be a cop, deny he touched Thomas, it's just a matter of competing, conflicting descriptions of the incident with little hard evidence. The other guard knows he d#$% well better back up his supervisor's story. There might be a surrveillance tape, but it's in the hands of the guard's employer. Hit erase, claim camera malfunction.

Instead you reached for your camera and shot pictures and then went home and posted the pictures and story on your blog. Don't you think that had you called the police, everyone would be better off and the guy who assaulted you could be behind bars instead of at large?

You've seen too many cop shows. In the real world cases this hard to prove just don't lead to arrests that often.

Especially since cops have a strong predisposition to believe other security professionals. Which makes some sense, 90% of the time when it's security vs. a civilian it probably is security that's telling the truth. Plus, I'm guessing most cops have been accused of roughing somebody up when they didn't, so they tend to empathize from that angle too.

But by posting it he continues to draw attention to this kind of thuggery, a valuable service. The first time it happened to me I thought I was a bad person who was breaking the law. Only through the accounts and research of others did I understand the reality of the situation.

5:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Time for a flickr swarm!

7:10 PM  
Blogger вџн said...

Whoever came up with the idea of a photographer swarm, good thinking!

Ever heard of Improv Everywhere?

It sounds like one of their 'missions.' I don't know if they have a S.F. chapter, but they should.

I'm glad you got that fat lard's picture. He made me think of Doctor "Eggman" Robotnik from the cartoon/video game series Sonic the Hedgehog.

I hope the police identify him and that his punishment is a little cruel and unusual.

1:15 AM  
Anonymous Sean Alexander said...

Thomas - I commend you for standing up for your rights. Lying about being a police officer put me through the roof on this one. Fight it until the end- this guy should be fired and arrested.

8:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

sounds like you were on private property and they asked you to leave. You came up with attitude and now that you see it is Bechtel. with lots of money, you are now seeing green. If I had to deal with your pompus ass I would have kicked your ass to the curb too! But hey, you are getting lots of attention from this, and people looking at your pretty pictures. But I assure you, you wont get shit from this....get over yourself!

9:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

securityguy:"sounds like you were on private property and they asked you to leave. You came up with attitude and now that you see it is Bechtel. with lots of money, you are now seeing green. If I had to deal with your pompus ass I would have kicked your ass to the curb too! But hey, you are getting lots of attention from this, and people looking at your pretty pictures. But I assure you, you wont get shit from this....get over yourself!"

Hey lardman, glad to see you finally managed to see your ugly ass on this site. Next time think twice before impersonating a police officer.

12:15 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey lardman, now that you managed to find your way to this site, click on your picture, it'll take you to flickr. You can see what people have to say about you.

12:20 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry to read about this, Thomas. I too photograph in downtown SF and was recently confronted by a security guard on California St. (?). He wanted to know what I was doing - wasn't able to ascertain this from my equipment I guess. Apparently he was concerned that I was photographing the Lens Crafters store in front of me. I assured him that I had no interest in Lens Crafters but that didn't keep him from hovering over me.
Maybe the local press would be interested in your story?
If so, the publicity might bring some awareness to photographers' rights.