Does Flickr Censor User Content Over Blatantly Fake DMCA Notices?

Does Flickr Censor User Content Over Blatantly Fake DMCA Notices?

Update: When adding an extra letter to last name that Alkhateeb had provided me, I was able to pull up what appears to be another artist who would appear to be claiming the Joker/Obama image as his own creation. The details are still fuzzy and am just basing this update on some Google searches that I’ve found with the new name. I have contacted this artist and am trying to determine if he in fact is the person who filed a DMCA takedown notice with Flickr over this image and if he is claiming the Obama/Joker creation as his own in contrast to previous reports from Alkhateeb and the Los Angeles Times that Alkhateeb is the image’s creator. I’ve also contacted Alkhateeb to discuss the claims of this individual. I will report back when I learn more.

For the past week or so I’ve been reporting on the Flickr Censorship case involving Firas Alkhateeb and his popular Joker/Obama Time Magazine cover. You’ll recall that Alkhateeb had posted his image to his Flickr account, garnered over 20,000 views, along with many comments on the image, saw the image subsequently used with the word “socialism” printed underneath it in Los Angeles and various other cities as street art… and then Flickr nuked his image and all the comments that went along with it.

Many bloggers and news outlets accused Flickr of censorship and political bias in the removal of what was seen by many as a clear fair use parody image critical of the President. The case made the national press and with an EFF attorney adding that Alkhateeb indeed had a very strong fair use defense. After a substantial amount of critical press over the image, Flickr Community Manager Heather Champ finally came out defending Flickr over the issue saying that Alkhateeb’s image had been removed from Flickr due to a “a complete Notice of Infringement as outlined by the DMCA (Digitial Millenium Copyright Act)” In the same breath Champ accused the press and blogosphere of being “makey uppey.” Shortly afterwards, the thread where Flickr users were complaining about this image deletion was shut down by Flickr staff.

Later that day in reporting on the issue The Los Angeles Times asked Champ who had issued the DMCA takedown request and Champ replied that Flickr was not able to give that information out. “I don’t know how this crazy game of telephone got started,” Champ wrote. “I’m not sure how complying with the law has led to the idea that we (the Flickr team) have a particular political agenda.”

Yesterday I reported on PDN’s efforts to get to the bottom of this takedown request. PDN contacted the logical parties who might have objected to this image. Time Magazine (whose logo was incorporated in the image), DC Comics (who would own the rights to the famous Joker image used on the Obama photo) and Platon (the photographer who had taken the original image used by Time). All three parties denied having filed a DMCA takedown notice with Flickr, which lead people to wonder all the more just who the hell *did* file the takedown notice.

While Alkhateeb originally stated that flickr had not told him who filed the request, after looking more closely at the email sent by Flickr he realized that they did in fact list the name of the person who had filed it. At first the way that it was presented was confusing to Alkhateeb and he thought the name that they gave him was a Yahoo representative’s name and not the person filing the report.

So who filed the report?

Well because Alkhateeb is currently working with lawyers on the case he asked me not to publish the name flickr provided him, but Alkhateeb has shared the name with me and after having seen the name, what I can say is that it wasn’t Time, DC Comics or Platon, or any other party with any possible plausible IP interest in this image. In fact, the name that was given is very likely a totally bogus made up name entirely. A google search for the odd name turns up zero results and even a google search for the last name alone turns up zero results for that surname. It’s like someone just typed random characters on a keyboard to make up the name used in the DMCA takedown notice.

The fact that the name filing the DMCA takedown notice would appear to be totally fake leaves one to wonder. Does Flickr just blindly pull down any content when any DMCA request is presented? If so that’s not very reassuring. If, for instance, “Donald Duck” or “Bob Xjibtstruytubopluy” claimed copyright over images in President Obama’s stream, would they simply remove these images as well? Somehow I doubt they would. Or was Flickr staff aware that the takedown request was bogus and instead decided to use it as cover to remove an image that offended their own clear personal and political sensibilities? A few months earlier Flickr nuked an entire account of a user who wrote critical remarks on President Obama’s photostream.

Whatever the case, I do think it is disingenuous at best for flickr to try and hide behind a clearly bogus DMCA notice when dealing with criticism over their decision to remove this image. Many people last week were led to believe by statements by Champ in Flickr’s Help Forum and in the press that Time or DC or the photographer had complained to flickr about the image and Flickr never bothered to clarify about the legitimacy or illegitimacy of the stated notice.

Transparency, fairness and a willingness to communicate openly with your community ought to be the hallmark traits of a site that is dependent upon their users for their content. By hiding the illegitimacy of this complaint, Flickr has shown themselves yet again trying to sweep their actions under the rug dismissing negative criticism with half truths. It is ironic that they would accuse the press and blogosphere of being “makey uppey” while in the same breath hiding behind a clearly bogus DMCA request on their own.

So what should Flickr do at this point?

Well, given that the DMCA takedown notice was bogus (and even had it been by an actual interested party Alkhateeb would have had a legitimate fair use to the image) they should apologize to Alkhateeb and restore his image and all of the comments that they nuked along with it.

Of course it is worth pointing out that even though former Flickr Founder and Flickr Chief Stewart Butterfield called it a “mistake” for Flickr not to have a mechanism to restore staff deleted content over two years ago that still today Flickr has not built (and is not working on) the ability to restore staff deleted content. So even if Flickr wanted to at this point they couldn’t put Alkhateeb’s image back. While Alkhateeb may be allowed to reupload the image in the future, his original image (along with all of the comments to the image and all of the links to his now dead deleted image) is pretty likely gone for good.

And that’s too bad.

  • August 27, 2009 at 4:09 pm Thomas Hawk
    The fact that the name filing the DMCA takedown notice would appear to be totally fake leaves one to wonder. Does Flickr just blindly pull down any content when any DMCA request is presented? If so that's not very reassuring. If, for instance, "Donald Duck" or "Bob Xjibtstruytubopluy" claimed copyright over images in President Obama's stream, would they simply remove these images as well? Somehow I doubt they would. Or was Flickr staff aware that the takedown request was bogus and instead decided to use it as cover to remove an image that offended their own clear personal and political sensibilities? A few months earlier Flickr nuked an entire account of a user who wrote critical remarks on President Obama's photostream.
  • August 27, 2009 at 4:29 pm Nils Sandin
    So what mechanisms are in place to protect other users from bogus DMCA takedown notices on Flickr, YouTube, Vimeo and other sites? Obviously there are penalties for issuing a bogus notice (that is, if the true identity can be determined). Is that pursued as a criminal case by the federal government, or a civil case by the user? How does the issuer prove in the first place that they are eligible to issue the takedown to Flickr & Co.?
  • August 27, 2009 at 4:39 pm LANjackal
    Nils: AFAIK, there are no penalties for bogus DMCA claims. The DMCA operates on a hazy "good faith" principle in which the plaintiff is assumed to be correct. The reason for this is that if both parties go to court and the plaintiff turns out to be right, damages are assessed from the date of the original notice, not from the court decision. Therefore many companies prefer to err on the safe side and take content down rather than risk throwing money at a drawn out court case that they wind up losing and being heavily liable for. If this strikes you as wrong, you're right. The DMCA is one of the few US laws that places the burden of proof on the defendant
  • August 27, 2009 at 5:04 pm Thomas Hawk
    http://www.flickr.com/help/forum/en-us/104389/#reply678337 Apparently a user submitted a DMCA takedown notice on a friend's image (with approval) in the name of "Joe Blow" and Flickr actually deleted the image. Amazing.
  • August 27, 2009 at 5:05 pm LogEx
    You can thank your friendly neighborhood MPAA and RIAA for all of the DMCA goodness. Bitch to your Congresscritters.
  • August 27, 2009 at 5:09 pm Thomas Hawk
    LogEx, the DMCA doesn't require companies to comply with clearly bogus DMCA notices. If I filed a DMCA notice from "Joe Blow" claiming that the Flickr logo was my copyrighted material, they would not remove the Flickr logo from the entire site. Likewise if I filed a notice from "Joe Blow" asking them to remove imagery from the President's official Flickr photostream I'm sure the material wouldn't be removed either. Flickr owes their users better than this.
  • August 27, 2009 at 6:18 pm LogEx
    Thomas, you are right especially in light of what you posted today. Companies' first priorities with these things is to comply with the law, avoid liability, and maintain their safe harbor status as an OSP. But two things are worth note: (1) the DMCA is draconian and puts too much burden on defendants, and (2) but even so Flickr and other OSPs should have a process where they can detect obviously fake DMCA notices (though they are legally in MUCH hotter water if they don't act on a valid notice and should have, than if they do act on a bogus notice and didn't need to).
  • August 27, 2009 at 6:50 pm Shivanand Velmurugan
    What I don't understand is that Flickr is one of the few areas where yahoo holds a monopoly .. well almost. Why is yahoo management not breathing down the throats of the flickr team, and make them get their act right?! It is in the interest of the yahoo shareholders (if there are any left)
  • August 28, 2009 at 12:08 am Mac Beach
    People need to read 1984 and Brave New World again (along with a history of the Soviet Union in the late 20th century). A state does not need to be all-powerful in order to be oppressive. They simply need to convince enough people to act as spies and censors on their behalf so as to intimidate or throttle dissent. Knowing Yahoo's history as I do (as a former customer) I am quite willing to chalk this one up to incompetence, coupled with a good dose of political bias. Don't expect the Yahoo's to fess up to either. Their efforts to reinforce the illusion that they have done no wrong, and can do no wrong only adds to my contempt for the company. Eventually everyone will figure out that their ability to deliver falls far short of their promises. My only regret is that the primary beneficiary of Yahoo's demise will likely be Microsoft.
  • August 28, 2009 at 12:20 am Thomas Hawk
    Ok: it seems like there may be a whole lot more to this story. Just posted this update on my blog: Update: When adding an extra letter to last name that Alkhateeb had provided me, I was able to pull up what appears to be another artist who would appear to be claiming the Joker/Obama image as his own creation. The details are still fuzzy and am just basing this update on some Google searches that I've found with the new name. I have contacted this artist and am trying to determine if he in fact is the person who filed a DMCA takedown notice with Flickr over this image and if he is claiming the Obama/Joker creation as his own in contrast to previous reports from Alkhateeb and the Los Angeles Times that Alkhateeb is the image's creator. I've also contacted Alkhateeb to discuss the claims of this individual. I will report back when I learn more.

10 Comments

  1. Les Stockton says:

    flickr, as well as other sites, are censoring content. It’s frustrating. They claim their policies are clear, but the truth is that they are open to interpretation, and they censor some content, while leaving other stuff in the same category that might be more extreme, but obviously less offensive to whomever is allowing it.

    I am feeling more and more aware that I must be careful what I say and what images I post, whether or flickr or elsewhere. This is not a free country.

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  6. macbeach says:

    People need to read 1984 and Brave New World again (along with a history of the Soviet Union in the late 20th century).

    A state does not need to be all-powerful in order to be oppressive. They simply need to convince enough people to act as spies and censors on their behalf so as to intimidate or throttle dissent.

    Knowing Yahoo’s history as I do (as a former customer) I am quite willing to chalk this one up to incompetence, coupled with a good dose of political bias. Don’t expect the Yahoo’s to fess up to either. Their efforts to reinforce the illusion that they have done no wrong, and can do no wrong only adds to my contempt for the company. Eventually everyone will figure out that their ability to deliver falls far short of their promises. My only regret is that the primary beneficiary of Yahoo’s demise will likely be Microsoft.

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