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	<title>Comments on: Does Google Map&#8217;s Use of All Rights Reserved Photos From Flickr Violate Copyright?</title>
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		<title>By: Gordon Runkle</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2010/02/does-google-maps-use-of-all-rights-reserved-photos-from-flickr-violate-copyright.html/comment-page-1#comment-175159</link>
		<dc:creator>Gordon Runkle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 04:26:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These types of uses and policy changes allowing Flickr by Yahoo to profit from photographers&#039; works while simultaneously telling photographers &quot;no commercial use allowed&quot; and &quot;no SEO linkage for you&quot; have made me take a hard look at the value of displaying my work on Flickr.  It turns out that Flickr has become an &quot;SEO sink&quot;; capturing and hanging onto searches that would otherwise direct potential clients to my own website.  Needless to say, I have since deleted my Flickr account and am working on recovering my lost SEO value.

There seems to be a trend where media companies (and I consider Flickr to be one) want to monetize content but not pay for it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These types of uses and policy changes allowing Flickr by Yahoo to profit from photographers&#8217; works while simultaneously telling photographers &#8220;no commercial use allowed&#8221; and &#8220;no SEO linkage for you&#8221; have made me take a hard look at the value of displaying my work on Flickr.  It turns out that Flickr has become an &#8220;SEO sink&#8221;; capturing and hanging onto searches that would otherwise direct potential clients to my own website.  Needless to say, I have since deleted my Flickr account and am working on recovering my lost SEO value.</p>
<p>There seems to be a trend where media companies (and I consider Flickr to be one) want to monetize content but not pay for it.</p>
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		<title>By: William Beem</title>
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		<dc:creator>William Beem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Feb 2010 20:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure this is covered under the Flickr TOS to allow them to display the photos as they like.  Per Flickr&#039;s blog post today, it seems they&#039;ve made arrangements with Google, Bing, and Apple.  More money for Yahoo, nothing for the content creators.

While I don&#039;t think it&#039;s illegal, given that we agreed to the TOS, I do think it&#039;s damaging to Flickr&#039;s community.  When we signed up for the service, we acknowledged permissions as we understood them.  We also acknowledged future usage, like these examples.  Would we have made the same agreement if we knew then what we know now?  Maybe, maybe not.

I would prefer the choice of opting in/out for any display outside of the Flickr site itself.  Although I&#039;ve changed my permissions to restrict blogging, it doesn&#039;t seem to stop folks that I didn&#039;t authorize from doing it.  I imagine it may be due to some of the group policies where I share my photos.

Given the recent choices by Flickr &amp; Yahoo management on how they can profit from my work or tell me how I must share it, I&#039;m less and less inclined to renew my membership when it comes due in April.  I enjoy my friends on Flickr and some of the communities, but I&#039;m not a fan of Flickr&#039;s policies or management anymore.  

I have no idea if any of my photos are being displayed by Google, Bing or Apple - that&#039;s the point that annoys me.  I&#039;d like the simple courtesy of choice or awareness regarding my photos.  Flickr doesn&#039;t seem to get it, though.  If they do, they don&#039;t seem to care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sure this is covered under the Flickr TOS to allow them to display the photos as they like.  Per Flickr&#8217;s blog post today, it seems they&#8217;ve made arrangements with Google, Bing, and Apple.  More money for Yahoo, nothing for the content creators.</p>
<p>While I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s illegal, given that we agreed to the TOS, I do think it&#8217;s damaging to Flickr&#8217;s community.  When we signed up for the service, we acknowledged permissions as we understood them.  We also acknowledged future usage, like these examples.  Would we have made the same agreement if we knew then what we know now?  Maybe, maybe not.</p>
<p>I would prefer the choice of opting in/out for any display outside of the Flickr site itself.  Although I&#8217;ve changed my permissions to restrict blogging, it doesn&#8217;t seem to stop folks that I didn&#8217;t authorize from doing it.  I imagine it may be due to some of the group policies where I share my photos.</p>
<p>Given the recent choices by Flickr &amp; Yahoo management on how they can profit from my work or tell me how I must share it, I&#8217;m less and less inclined to renew my membership when it comes due in April.  I enjoy my friends on Flickr and some of the communities, but I&#8217;m not a fan of Flickr&#8217;s policies or management anymore.  </p>
<p>I have no idea if any of my photos are being displayed by Google, Bing or Apple &#8211; that&#8217;s the point that annoys me.  I&#8217;d like the simple courtesy of choice or awareness regarding my photos.  Flickr doesn&#8217;t seem to get it, though.  If they do, they don&#8217;t seem to care.</p>
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		<title>By: newsgossipgator.com &#187; Images Lost &#8220;Disk Not Formatted&#8221; Error Message Occurred</title>
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		<dc:creator>newsgossipgator.com &#187; Images Lost &#8220;Disk Not Formatted&#8221; Error Message Occurred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 05:52:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Should Google Serve Copyrighted Flickr Photos on Street View?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Should Google Serve Copyrighted Flickr Photos on Street View?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 20:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] introduction of geo-tagged Flickr photos into their Google Maps Street View. Thomas Hawk writes on his blog: When I first learned of this feature I thought for sure that it would be limited to Creative [...]</description>
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		<title>By: travispuk</title>
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		<dc:creator>travispuk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:43:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that if they are simply displaying the image then it is no different to flickr displaying the image. If however they are then added advertisements that possibly link to the pic then I think that is clear commercial use.

It does fall into the same category as the recent issue with the Independent Newspaper in the UK. Same sort of thing in my opinion.

As Chris Nixon says though if I was able to opt-in or out for this specific use scenario then I would opt-in as in my opinion it is no different to flickr displaying the images on their site, but not having ever been given the opportunity I would not be happy about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that if they are simply displaying the image then it is no different to flickr displaying the image. If however they are then added advertisements that possibly link to the pic then I think that is clear commercial use.</p>
<p>It does fall into the same category as the recent issue with the Independent Newspaper in the UK. Same sort of thing in my opinion.</p>
<p>As Chris Nixon says though if I was able to opt-in or out for this specific use scenario then I would opt-in as in my opinion it is no different to flickr displaying the images on their site, but not having ever been given the opportunity I would not be happy about.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 02:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using an &#039;All Rights Reserved&#039; (and presumed properly registered Copyright) image in a web page/product is about as clear cut as an infringement can get.  I realize that it never seems &#039;black and white&#039; when it comes to copyright issues, but this is definitely &#039;grayscale&#039;.

I can speak from personal experience - when images our firm had copyrighted were re-used as depictions of particular personalities on their website.  The other side argued it was fair use based on the fact they were used as &#039;reference examples&#039; (i.e. not used to directly sell their product) and that they linked directly to the source.  The case was won in our favor initially, and on appeal.  The other firm is no longer in business. 

The fact that Flickr, and almost ALL of the Flickr API &#039;users&#039;, do NOT even seem to care about whether your images are All Rights Reserved or not (remember the LA Times Slideshow?) is why myself and many of our colleagues no longer use the website.  While we understand copyright infringement is actually quite commonplace, we refuse to use a service that won&#039;t even help its own source of contributions by recognizing an author&#039;s rights.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using an &#8216;All Rights Reserved&#8217; (and presumed properly registered Copyright) image in a web page/product is about as clear cut as an infringement can get.  I realize that it never seems &#8216;black and white&#8217; when it comes to copyright issues, but this is definitely &#8216;grayscale&#8217;.</p>
<p>I can speak from personal experience &#8211; when images our firm had copyrighted were re-used as depictions of particular personalities on their website.  The other side argued it was fair use based on the fact they were used as &#8216;reference examples&#8217; (i.e. not used to directly sell their product) and that they linked directly to the source.  The case was won in our favor initially, and on appeal.  The other firm is no longer in business. </p>
<p>The fact that Flickr, and almost ALL of the Flickr API &#8216;users&#8217;, do NOT even seem to care about whether your images are All Rights Reserved or not (remember the LA Times Slideshow?) is why myself and many of our colleagues no longer use the website.  While we understand copyright infringement is actually quite commonplace, we refuse to use a service that won&#8217;t even help its own source of contributions by recognizing an author&#8217;s rights.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, lets just speculate, don&#039;t change the direction of this blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, lets just speculate, don&#8217;t change the direction of this blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 01:14:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rather than speculate, why not ask a media-arts attorney? Such as from California Lawyers for the Arts at Fort Mason...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rather than speculate, why not ask a media-arts attorney? Such as from California Lawyers for the Arts at Fort Mason&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:29:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did not see the link at the bottom. Argument could go either way depending on the judge. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Anybody dig into the latest TOS on flickr yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did not see the link at the bottom. Argument could go either way depending on the judge. Will be interesting to see how this plays out. Anybody dig into the latest TOS on flickr yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I assume that Google is pulling photos through the Flickr API.  The main problem that I have with the Flickr API is that there is no way to block your &quot;All Rights Reserved&quot; photos from the Flickr API.  The same setting that removes the &quot;All Sizes&quot; button from the Flickr UI for &quot;All Rights Reserved&quot; photos should also block them from being searched and retrieved using the Flickr API.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I assume that Google is pulling photos through the Flickr API.  The main problem that I have with the Flickr API is that there is no way to block your &#8220;All Rights Reserved&#8221; photos from the Flickr API.  The same setting that removes the &#8220;All Sizes&#8221; button from the Flickr UI for &#8220;All Rights Reserved&#8221; photos should also block them from being searched and retrieved using the Flickr API.</p>
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