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		<title>By: Condensed Knowledge &#8211; October 18, 2009 &#8211; Lists - Raoul Pop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Condensed Knowledge &#8211; October 18, 2009 &#8211; Lists - Raoul Pop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 09:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: TranceMist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranceMist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Oct 2009 15:05:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, have you noticed that your blog as a very negative tone lately?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, have you noticed that your blog as a very negative tone lately?</p>
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		<title>By: Rocjoe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rocjoe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 16:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hm. Another video where a lone cop is digging himself deeper and deeper. I never seem to see videos of two cops behaving badly. Maybe police should always go in pairs-- you know, two heads are better than one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hm. Another video where a lone cop is digging himself deeper and deeper. I never seem to see videos of two cops behaving badly. Maybe police should always go in pairs&#8211; you know, two heads are better than one.</p>
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		<title>By: Peachey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peachey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 23:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You didn&#039;t impy that we should get rid of cops.  I simply asked you a question, which you did not answer.

I&#039;ll assume by your defensiveness that you would have answered &quot;no&quot; if had bothered to read what I had asked.  In that case, then why suggest that he shouldn&#039;t be on the job?  He got angry, but never &quot;lost it.&quot;

I applaud that the policeman decided to teach the young man that his actions have consequences.  If you are suggesting that policemen should be infallible, that they can be expected to never get mad when a hooligan calls him a dick, then your are living in an imaginary world.

And yes, I called him a hooligan again.  By definition, it is a rowdy, unruly disrepectful youth.  If you equate a term like that to a vulgar term used to describe the male genitalia, you are again living on another planet.

As far as threatening to break the skater&#039;s arm goes, it wasn&#039;t so much a threat as a statement of fact.  The whole reason a policeman grabs a person&#039;s arm like that is to immobilize them.  Hence the warning &quot;if you resist me again I&#039;ll snap your amr like a twig.&quot;  What are you people gonna say next?  That cops aren&#039;t allowed to say &quot;stop or I&#039;ll shoot?&quot;  That sounds like a threat according to you people.  I don&#039;t suppose you&#039;d be in favor of cops breaking people arms, or shoothing them without giving them warning of the consequences of their actions.

Let these guys do their jobs.  It&#039;s not like he threw the guy in the back of his squad car and took him to an abandoned warehouse to beat the crap out of him.  Something like that is what we should be vigilant against.  Not something like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You didn&#8217;t impy that we should get rid of cops.  I simply asked you a question, which you did not answer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll assume by your defensiveness that you would have answered &#8220;no&#8221; if had bothered to read what I had asked.  In that case, then why suggest that he shouldn&#8217;t be on the job?  He got angry, but never &#8220;lost it.&#8221;</p>
<p>I applaud that the policeman decided to teach the young man that his actions have consequences.  If you are suggesting that policemen should be infallible, that they can be expected to never get mad when a hooligan calls him a dick, then your are living in an imaginary world.</p>
<p>And yes, I called him a hooligan again.  By definition, it is a rowdy, unruly disrepectful youth.  If you equate a term like that to a vulgar term used to describe the male genitalia, you are again living on another planet.</p>
<p>As far as threatening to break the skater&#8217;s arm goes, it wasn&#8217;t so much a threat as a statement of fact.  The whole reason a policeman grabs a person&#8217;s arm like that is to immobilize them.  Hence the warning &#8220;if you resist me again I&#8217;ll snap your amr like a twig.&#8221;  What are you people gonna say next?  That cops aren&#8217;t allowed to say &#8220;stop or I&#8217;ll shoot?&#8221;  That sounds like a threat according to you people.  I don&#8217;t suppose you&#8217;d be in favor of cops breaking people arms, or shoothing them without giving them warning of the consequences of their actions.</p>
<p>Let these guys do their jobs.  It&#8217;s not like he threw the guy in the back of his squad car and took him to an abandoned warehouse to beat the crap out of him.  Something like that is what we should be vigilant against.  Not something like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Should SFPD Officer Noel Schwab Be Allowed to Threaten to Break A Skateboarder&#8217;s Arm &#8220;Like a Twig?&#8221;</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 07:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...]             1 votes   vote     Should SFPD Officer Noel Schwab Be Allowed to Threaten to Break A Skateboarder&#8217;s Arm &#8220;Li...   Skateboarding is largely a victimless crime. It&#8217;s unfortunate when I see the police [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:20:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the skater wasn&#039;t arrested for denting cars but for skating in San Francisco, a questionable charge (I couldn&#039;t tell where the skaters were in that video).

Where did I imply we should get rid of cops?  The officer is entrusted with more rights and responsibilities and should act in such a way.

I&#039;m also amazed at the amount of prejudice and name calling.  Ironically many of the same people who think the skater should have shown respect and not called the officer a &quot;dick&quot; see no problem with calling the skater a &#039;hoolagin.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the skater wasn&#8217;t arrested for denting cars but for skating in San Francisco, a questionable charge (I couldn&#8217;t tell where the skaters were in that video).</p>
<p>Where did I imply we should get rid of cops?  The officer is entrusted with more rights and responsibilities and should act in such a way.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m also amazed at the amount of prejudice and name calling.  Ironically many of the same people who think the skater should have shown respect and not called the officer a &#8220;dick&#8221; see no problem with calling the skater a &#8216;hoolagin.&#8217;</p>
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		<title>By: Peachey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peachey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 00:07:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, that&#039;s because our society has gotten worse and worse over the years as people have begun to side with the hoolagins and rif raf over the police.  I think people would like to live in a community where they won&#039;t fall and break their legs because some skaters took the vent covers off the street.  People want to go back to their cars after a day at work without finding a bunch of dents in it where skateboarders &#039;wiped out&#039; and hit the car.  People want to know that they are safe from crime because they know that kids learn at a young age not to break the law and screw with the police.

Would you be happy if we just got rid of cops, Ari?  Let&#039;s just make it a free for all and see if you are happy then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, that&#8217;s because our society has gotten worse and worse over the years as people have begun to side with the hoolagins and rif raf over the police.  I think people would like to live in a community where they won&#8217;t fall and break their legs because some skaters took the vent covers off the street.  People want to go back to their cars after a day at work without finding a bunch of dents in it where skateboarders &#8216;wiped out&#8217; and hit the car.  People want to know that they are safe from crime because they know that kids learn at a young age not to break the law and screw with the police.</p>
<p>Would you be happy if we just got rid of cops, Ari?  Let&#8217;s just make it a free for all and see if you are happy then.</p>
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		<title>By: Ari</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m amazed at the number of people siding with the cop because the kid &quot;wasn&#039;t being respectful&quot; while not the best response there is nothing illegal about being disrespectful to the police.  If an officer can&#039;t handle someone calling him a &quot;dick&quot; then maybe he shouldn&#039;t be on the job.

The officer was also incorrect, it is not against the law to skate in residential districts during daytime hours in San Francisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m amazed at the number of people siding with the cop because the kid &#8220;wasn&#8217;t being respectful&#8221; while not the best response there is nothing illegal about being disrespectful to the police.  If an officer can&#8217;t handle someone calling him a &#8220;dick&#8221; then maybe he shouldn&#8217;t be on the job.</p>
<p>The officer was also incorrect, it is not against the law to skate in residential districts during daytime hours in San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: Peachey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peachey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 23:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To answer the question posed in the title of this thread &quot;Should SFPD Officer Noel Schwab Be Allowed to Threaten to Break A Skateboarder’s Arm &#039;Like a Twig?&#039;”  I say no he should not be allowed to do it.

He should be given a warning by his superiors much like the police man was giving a warning to the skaters.  If the policeman when given such warning called his superiors &#039;fucking dicks&#039;, then he should be fired from his job in the same way the skater should have been arrested once he thumbed his nose at a mere warning.  If, however, the policeman had heeded the warning not to threaten other suspects with a broken arm, then he should be allowed to continue to do his job in the same way that the skaters would have been let go if they had taken their warning.

It&#039;s really ashame that people don&#039;t seem to be willing to cut this policeman the same slack that he was willing to cut these law-breaking hoolagins.  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To answer the question posed in the title of this thread &#8220;Should SFPD Officer Noel Schwab Be Allowed to Threaten to Break A Skateboarder’s Arm &#8216;Like a Twig?&#8217;”  I say no he should not be allowed to do it.</p>
<p>He should be given a warning by his superiors much like the police man was giving a warning to the skaters.  If the policeman when given such warning called his superiors &#8216;fucking dicks&#8217;, then he should be fired from his job in the same way the skater should have been arrested once he thumbed his nose at a mere warning.  If, however, the policeman had heeded the warning not to threaten other suspects with a broken arm, then he should be allowed to continue to do his job in the same way that the skaters would have been let go if they had taken their warning.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really ashame that people don&#8217;t seem to be willing to cut this policeman the same slack that he was willing to cut these law-breaking hoolagins.  <img src='http://thomashawk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: JP</title>
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		<dc:creator>JP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Oct 2009 22:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thiago, my point exactly.  We&#039;ve all heard that the best way to handle a situation when you are outnumbered is to go up to the leader and punch him in the nose.  That&#039;s basicly all that happened here.  The officers didn&#039;t even have to resort to violence.  Just the threat of potential violence kept the situation from getting out of hand.

To all the people who think the officers shouldn&#039;t have taken an agressive posture; how would YOU handle it if you were by yourself dealing with 4 or 5 young men (these were not 8 year old children)?  One of them calls you a f@cking D#ck and you don&#039;t react, they all take that as a sign of weakness and before you know it you&#039;ve got 5 angry young men shouting insults and getting agressive with ONE cop.  Sounds to me like someones about to get whacked in the face with a night stick in that situation.  

I think the way it was handled was just fine, and if anything I don&#039;t think the cop should have explained himself to the citizen who questioned him forcing the skater into his patrol car with his foot.  Oviously this wasn&#039;t a &quot;beat down.&quot;  Just a little tough stuff to hopefully teach this young man not to mess with cops anymore.

What worries me about this whole video is that now those skaters have learned just the opposite lesson.  You can break the law, vandalise cars, mess with city property and even curse out a cop if one shows up to stop you as long as you get a video camera running and can catch the cop doing something &quot;not by the book.&quot;

We&#039;re teaching these kids the wrong thing by standing up for them.  

Ever go into a public restroom and see all the crap scratched into the mirrors and written in marker on the walls?  Well crap like that is never gonna stop if the jokers that do stuff like that aren&#039;t intimidated by the authority of the police.  YES YOU SKATERS.  I&#039;ve seen you doing it.

Give this cop an award.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thiago, my point exactly.  We&#8217;ve all heard that the best way to handle a situation when you are outnumbered is to go up to the leader and punch him in the nose.  That&#8217;s basicly all that happened here.  The officers didn&#8217;t even have to resort to violence.  Just the threat of potential violence kept the situation from getting out of hand.</p>
<p>To all the people who think the officers shouldn&#8217;t have taken an agressive posture; how would YOU handle it if you were by yourself dealing with 4 or 5 young men (these were not 8 year old children)?  One of them calls you a f@cking D#ck and you don&#8217;t react, they all take that as a sign of weakness and before you know it you&#8217;ve got 5 angry young men shouting insults and getting agressive with ONE cop.  Sounds to me like someones about to get whacked in the face with a night stick in that situation.  </p>
<p>I think the way it was handled was just fine, and if anything I don&#8217;t think the cop should have explained himself to the citizen who questioned him forcing the skater into his patrol car with his foot.  Oviously this wasn&#8217;t a &#8220;beat down.&#8221;  Just a little tough stuff to hopefully teach this young man not to mess with cops anymore.</p>
<p>What worries me about this whole video is that now those skaters have learned just the opposite lesson.  You can break the law, vandalise cars, mess with city property and even curse out a cop if one shows up to stop you as long as you get a video camera running and can catch the cop doing something &#8220;not by the book.&#8221;</p>
<p>We&#8217;re teaching these kids the wrong thing by standing up for them.  </p>
<p>Ever go into a public restroom and see all the crap scratched into the mirrors and written in marker on the walls?  Well crap like that is never gonna stop if the jokers that do stuff like that aren&#8217;t intimidated by the authority of the police.  YES YOU SKATERS.  I&#8217;ve seen you doing it.</p>
<p>Give this cop an award.</p>
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