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	<title>Comments on: Should Yahoo/Flickr Be Advertising Paid Pro Memberships as &#8220;Ad-Free Browsing and Sharing&#8221; When They In Fact Plan on Advertsing at Them?</title>
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		<title>By: BUY THIS! BUY THIS!BUY THIS! &#171; Cliffmichaels&#8217;s Blog</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-124786</link>
		<dc:creator>BUY THIS! BUY THIS!BUY THIS! &#171; Cliffmichaels&#8217;s Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:52:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This blog post by Thomas Hawk lays out what Flickr is doing.  Here&#8217;s Visa&#8217;s group referred to by Hawks, Visa &#8211; Life in Action. This post from an Indian blog describes Coca Cola&#8217;s plan to use Flickr as a part of its &#8220;social media&#8221; advertising plan. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This blog post by Thomas Hawk lays out what Flickr is doing.  Here&#8217;s Visa&#8217;s group referred to by Hawks, Visa &#8211; Life in Action. This post from an Indian blog describes Coca Cola&#8217;s plan to use Flickr as a part of its &#8220;social media&#8221; advertising plan. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lainey1</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-33398</link>
		<dc:creator>Lainey1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:45:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holy Crap! If you join that nikon group, they have a blurb where they say they can use any photo you put in there in any way, shape or form. Any photo you put in their group can be used without payment to be placed in one of their ads? What kind of bullcrap is that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holy Crap! If you join that nikon group, they have a blurb where they say they can use any photo you put in there in any way, shape or form. Any photo you put in their group can be used without payment to be placed in one of their ads? What kind of bullcrap is that?</p>
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		<title>By: Eric in SF</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric in SF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Flickr is on record stating they are OK with photographers arranging for work within the private FlickrMail system. They are not allowed to overtly advertise that they have product and services available. I honestly feel avatar names like &quot;Eric Hunt Photography&quot; should be against the TOS, but they are not.

To Thomas&#039; point - I see the principle behind it, but my anecdotal data point is simple: I&#039;ve never seen any of these sponsored groups, EVER, in my Flickring. 

I recognize that I am nowhere near the power Flickr user that Thomas is and that will affect how many sponsored groups I encounter. I rarely participate in groups and my searches are very focused in one narrow field. 

In fact, Thomas has done a spectacular job of providing social-media advertising for these efforts, as this report is the first I&#039;ve heard of any of these sponsored groups. (I would have written a blog posting in such a way to not give these companies additional exposure. *grin*)

So, I can&#039;t disagree with your premise, but I wonder how many people actually encounter these sponsored groups?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Flickr is on record stating they are OK with photographers arranging for work within the private FlickrMail system. They are not allowed to overtly advertise that they have product and services available. I honestly feel avatar names like &#8220;Eric Hunt Photography&#8221; should be against the TOS, but they are not.</p>
<p>To Thomas&#8217; point &#8211; I see the principle behind it, but my anecdotal data point is simple: I&#8217;ve never seen any of these sponsored groups, EVER, in my Flickring. </p>
<p>I recognize that I am nowhere near the power Flickr user that Thomas is and that will affect how many sponsored groups I encounter. I rarely participate in groups and my searches are very focused in one narrow field. </p>
<p>In fact, Thomas has done a spectacular job of providing social-media advertising for these efforts, as this report is the first I&#8217;ve heard of any of these sponsored groups. (I would have written a blog posting in such a way to not give these companies additional exposure. *grin*)</p>
<p>So, I can&#8217;t disagree with your premise, but I wonder how many people actually encounter these sponsored groups?</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-33117</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 13:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Michael, good point about Ford.  The comment of bailout money was really meant to be more tongue and cheek but it&#039;s a good clarification to make.  Thanks.

John, actually commercial use of Flickr by Professional photographers actually violates the Flickr TOU.  Which states that commercial use on Flickr is strictly prohibited.  But yes, somehow it doesn&#039;t quite bother me as much if a Pro photographer puts their phone number on their profile page as it does seeing McDonald&#039;s, Visa and Ford try to disguise their groups as legitimate user created groups in Flickr&#039;s search results when I&#039;ve paid to opt out of advertising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael, good point about Ford.  The comment of bailout money was really meant to be more tongue and cheek but it&#8217;s a good clarification to make.  Thanks.</p>
<p>John, actually commercial use of Flickr by Professional photographers actually violates the Flickr TOU.  Which states that commercial use on Flickr is strictly prohibited.  But yes, somehow it doesn&#8217;t quite bother me as much if a Pro photographer puts their phone number on their profile page as it does seeing McDonald&#8217;s, Visa and Ford try to disguise their groups as legitimate user created groups in Flickr&#8217;s search results when I&#8217;ve paid to opt out of advertising.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-33084</link>
		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 11:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;d be the first to complain if they tried to censor your appreciation of flickr images, even those that have been posted to groups with corporate sponsors.

Many professional photographers openly use their flickr stream as advertising - should that be hidden from you too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;d be the first to complain if they tried to censor your appreciation of flickr images, even those that have been posted to groups with corporate sponsors.</p>
<p>Many professional photographers openly use their flickr stream as advertising &#8211; should that be hidden from you too?</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-32975</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 02:33:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, as I paying flickr pro member I agree with your point that corporations sponsoring groups as advertisements is a bit annoying. For the sake of accuracy however I think it should be pointed out that Ford Motor Company has not yet taken bail out money like the other American auto companies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, as I paying flickr pro member I agree with your point that corporations sponsoring groups as advertisements is a bit annoying. For the sake of accuracy however I think it should be pointed out that Ford Motor Company has not yet taken bail out money like the other American auto companies.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-32954</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason, it doesn&#039;t matter that you can &quot;hide&quot; them.  The deal wasn&#039;t &quot;Flickr can show me ads as long as I can hide them.  The deal was an ad free experience.  But more to the point, even when you &quot;hide&quot; them they don&#039;t disappear.  They still appear in search and in other areas on Flickr.  Even if you toggle the &quot;hide&quot; button on the sponsored ads they still show up in other places on Flickr.

If flickr wants to advertise to pro members, fine.  But take down the ad-free claim on their own adverts.  Personally though I&#039;d rather be able to pay (as I&#039;ve done for several years) in order to opt out of all ads (even the sneaky ones) all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, it doesn&#8217;t matter that you can &#8220;hide&#8221; them.  The deal wasn&#8217;t &#8220;Flickr can show me ads as long as I can hide them.  The deal was an ad free experience.  But more to the point, even when you &#8220;hide&#8221; them they don&#8217;t disappear.  They still appear in search and in other areas on Flickr.  Even if you toggle the &#8220;hide&#8221; button on the sponsored ads they still show up in other places on Flickr.</p>
<p>If flickr wants to advertise to pro members, fine.  But take down the ad-free claim on their own adverts.  Personally though I&#8217;d rather be able to pay (as I&#8217;ve done for several years) in order to opt out of all ads (even the sneaky ones) all together.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2009/03/should-yahooflickr-be-advertising-paid-pro-memberships-as-ad-free-browsing-and-sharing-when-they-in-fact-plan-on-advertsing-at-them.html/comment-page-1#comment-32950</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 00:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;All of these groups, by the way, are now prominently displayed on the main groups page for all free *and* paid Pro account Flickr members.&lt;/i&gt;

Can&#039;t you see the toggle to hide the Sponsored Groups on your Groups page?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>All of these groups, by the way, are now prominently displayed on the main groups page for all free *and* paid Pro account Flickr members.</i></p>
<p>Can&#8217;t you see the toggle to hide the Sponsored Groups on your Groups page?</p>
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