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	<title>Comments on: Should Photographers Be Allowed to Photograph the Flag Draped Caskets of Killed US Soldiers?</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 04:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was raised in a Marine Corp family and have had family and friends over in iraq. I find it a totally disgrace for our soldiers to have picture takin of them coming into dover or on their way home to thier family. The government honor those men and women all the way home. we know what is happening over there and if you dont your stupid. we dont need picture to see it. I want to thank all of those over there or have been and that my prays are with you and the families of those.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was raised in a Marine Corp family and have had family and friends over in iraq. I find it a totally disgrace for our soldiers to have picture takin of them coming into dover or on their way home to thier family. The government honor those men and women all the way home. we know what is happening over there and if you dont your stupid. we dont need picture to see it. I want to thank all of those over there or have been and that my prays are with you and the families of those.</p>
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		<title>By: Close and Impersonal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photography</title>
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		<dc:creator>Close and Impersonal &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Photography</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 14:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] photography and the military; imagine that, I have an invested interest in both.  Read the article here.  I posted my thoughts about the subject on his blog, but here it is for those that don&#8217;t [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] photography and the military; imagine that, I have an invested interest in both.  Read the article here.  I posted my thoughts about the subject on his blog, but here it is for those that don&#8217;t [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 04:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a soldier, and a photographer, I can see the issue in both ways.  Granted, I don&#039;t think coffins draped with flags are an invasion of a family, though it definitely can be if the photographer attaches the name of the deceased to the photo.

As for the comment of people on a high horse, and the fact that we need a herd of them.  Anyone remember the Vietnam war, and the soldiers that were spit on and ridiculed for partaking in the war regardless of whether they volunteered or were drafted?  Yes, please, I want to come home to my country and have a lot of high horses attacking me as they don&#039;t see any other way to protest a war than by making the lives of soldiers difficult.  A lot of people don&#039;t agree with the war, personally, I have lost quite a few friends as it is, and there were a bunch of high horses at the funeral of these soldiers - protesting the funeral, and saying it is &quot;God&#039;s&quot; will that these men and women die as they fought in an unjust war.  From that, yes, I believe that taking pictures of coffins can be a security risk, not necessarily for the Government, but for those that are fighting, and their families.  If people could properly channel their anger at the war, or that young men and women are dying it it so that it didn&#039;t actually hurt those who swear the oath to defend the country that we all live in; then yes, by all means, honor those that die by taking a photograph in their memory.  But I do believe the media has done their share in blemishing those that serve already as I walk down some streets and get an enormous amount of swear words flung in my direction because I swore an oath to defend those that I sometimes have doubts of deserving it.

For those that may read this and disagree with what I say, I offer you, walk a mile in our shoes and you will see how the media has affected the perception of the Soldiers that defend America.  When you realize the perception, will more photo&#039;s of coffins help or hurt the soldiers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a soldier, and a photographer, I can see the issue in both ways.  Granted, I don&#8217;t think coffins draped with flags are an invasion of a family, though it definitely can be if the photographer attaches the name of the deceased to the photo.</p>
<p>As for the comment of people on a high horse, and the fact that we need a herd of them.  Anyone remember the Vietnam war, and the soldiers that were spit on and ridiculed for partaking in the war regardless of whether they volunteered or were drafted?  Yes, please, I want to come home to my country and have a lot of high horses attacking me as they don&#8217;t see any other way to protest a war than by making the lives of soldiers difficult.  A lot of people don&#8217;t agree with the war, personally, I have lost quite a few friends as it is, and there were a bunch of high horses at the funeral of these soldiers &#8211; protesting the funeral, and saying it is &#8220;God&#8217;s&#8221; will that these men and women die as they fought in an unjust war.  From that, yes, I believe that taking pictures of coffins can be a security risk, not necessarily for the Government, but for those that are fighting, and their families.  If people could properly channel their anger at the war, or that young men and women are dying it it so that it didn&#8217;t actually hurt those who swear the oath to defend the country that we all live in; then yes, by all means, honor those that die by taking a photograph in their memory.  But I do believe the media has done their share in blemishing those that serve already as I walk down some streets and get an enormous amount of swear words flung in my direction because I swore an oath to defend those that I sometimes have doubts of deserving it.</p>
<p>For those that may read this and disagree with what I say, I offer you, walk a mile in our shoes and you will see how the media has affected the perception of the Soldiers that defend America.  When you realize the perception, will more photo&#8217;s of coffins help or hurt the soldiers?</p>
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		<title>By: furiousennui</title>
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		<dc:creator>furiousennui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 01:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who precisely is being protected by censoring these images? As unidentified coffins, certainly not the families of the deceased.

From the perspective of someone outside of the USA, and who has lived in the USA, this is yet another example of the dangerous combination of hypocrisy, hubris and ignorance that the rest of the world sees when it looks into the heart of the USA.

The only things &quot;protected&quot; by this form of censorship are the political careers of those who allowed this farce to perpetuate, the bottom lines of the vast military-industrial complex that bankrolls a plutocratic US system of government, and that needs to test it&#039;s latest weapons of mass &amp; specific destruction in order to assure future funding and sales, and the misbegotten concept of the USA as &quot;world policeman&quot; (self-appointed, and no objection brooked, lest they send troops to your country to &quot;restore order&quot;).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who precisely is being protected by censoring these images? As unidentified coffins, certainly not the families of the deceased.</p>
<p>From the perspective of someone outside of the USA, and who has lived in the USA, this is yet another example of the dangerous combination of hypocrisy, hubris and ignorance that the rest of the world sees when it looks into the heart of the USA.</p>
<p>The only things &#8220;protected&#8221; by this form of censorship are the political careers of those who allowed this farce to perpetuate, the bottom lines of the vast military-industrial complex that bankrolls a plutocratic US system of government, and that needs to test it&#8217;s latest weapons of mass &amp; specific destruction in order to assure future funding and sales, and the misbegotten concept of the USA as &#8220;world policeman&#8221; (self-appointed, and no objection brooked, lest they send troops to your country to &#8220;restore order&#8221;).</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:12:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;it can be difficult to fight a war if you have the public getting on there high horse every time a soldier gets killed&lt;&lt;

Well, yes, precisely. That&#039;s why we *need* photographs of dead soldiers – why the public must be presented with the butcher&#039;s bill. Wars that the public cannot stomach probably should not be fought. We need a ranch full of High Horses, to ride herd on the generals and presidents who all too easily send soldiers to die in secret and for unworthy causes – we need it to be difficult to fight all but the most necessary wars (and we haven&#039;t had one lately).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;it can be difficult to fight a war if you have the public getting on there high horse every time a soldier gets killed&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>Well, yes, precisely. That&#8217;s why we *need* photographs of dead soldiers – why the public must be presented with the butcher&#8217;s bill. Wars that the public cannot stomach probably should not be fought. We need a ranch full of High Horses, to ride herd on the generals and presidents who all too easily send soldiers to die in secret and for unworthy causes – we need it to be difficult to fight all but the most necessary wars (and we haven&#8217;t had one lately).</p>
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		<title>By: Wakefield Photographic Studios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wakefield Photographic Studios</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I can see it from both sides to be honest, of course people should be aloud to photograph and report on things like this. On the other hand, it can be difficult to fight a war if you have the public getting on there high horse every time a soldier gets killed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I can see it from both sides to be honest, of course people should be aloud to photograph and report on things like this. On the other hand, it can be difficult to fight a war if you have the public getting on there high horse every time a soldier gets killed.</p>
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		<title>By: Caught My Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>Caught My Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Thomas Hawk - Should Photographers Be Allowed to Photograph Flag Draped Caskets? &quot;Seeing coffin draped caskets may make us all feel uncomfortable. But sometimes that’s what good photography is supposed to do. It’s supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.&quot; (tags: photography) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Thomas Hawk &#8211; Should Photographers Be Allowed to Photograph Flag Draped Caskets? &quot;Seeing coffin draped caskets may make us all feel uncomfortable. But sometimes that’s what good photography is supposed to do. It’s supposed to make you feel uncomfortable.&quot; (tags: photography) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: TranceMist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranceMist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Should?

Must.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Should?</p>
<p>Must.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 12:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was at the Venice Biennale in 2007 and I saw this great piece of art by Emily Prince. Photographers may not be able to photograph the coffins but artists can use the Military records to illustrate the point.

http://www.alloftheamericanservicemenandwomen.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was at the Venice Biennale in 2007 and I saw this great piece of art by Emily Prince. Photographers may not be able to photograph the coffins but artists can use the Military records to illustrate the point.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.alloftheamericanservicemenandwomen.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.alloftheamericanservicemenandwomen.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 07:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How are these in the least &quot;private&quot; or &quot;personal&quot; moments (let alone sacred)? These people died in public service and employ, implementing and as a result of public policies; their remains are returning on public (government) aircraft and vessels to public (government) bases wrapped in the public American flag; and their deaths are necessarily part of public analysis of and debate about the wars. Even if the photographs and presentations showed faces, names and other personal information, these subjects are absolutely public and of the highest public interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How are these in the least &#8220;private&#8221; or &#8220;personal&#8221; moments (let alone sacred)? These people died in public service and employ, implementing and as a result of public policies; their remains are returning on public (government) aircraft and vessels to public (government) bases wrapped in the public American flag; and their deaths are necessarily part of public analysis of and debate about the wars. Even if the photographs and presentations showed faces, names and other personal information, these subjects are absolutely public and of the highest public interest.</p>
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