Comments on: Breaking News: Appeals Court Refuses to Hear Echostar Appeal, TiVo’s Patent Victory Stands

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By: Dish Network

Dish Network — Tue, 14 Jul 2009 16:57:21 +0000

Too bad everyone is trying to screw Dish Network. They are getting sued, losing court cases, and at the same time, dealing with potential financial problems also. Senseless.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 04:39:00 +0000

Okay so as i understand this even us with a 501,508 or a 510 will not be affected for a good while at least or no at all correct?

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 19 Apr 2008 12:45:00 +0000

The court injunction against Dish went into effect on 4/18/2008. They now have 30 days to disable their DVR's.

A few weeks ago Dish was denied a rehearing based on the "new software"

The injunction is now in full force and will gain more strength 30 days from April 18, 2008.

If Dish refuses to disable their units then they will immediately be found to be in contempt of the court ruling and heavy fines will be imposed by the court. Probably somewhere around 700,000 per day for each day of infringement.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:17:00 +0000

I disagree with TiVo being a hero in this. They started it but they should have went to Dish and DirectTV and even local cable companies and sold this technology to them rather then make their own boxes. Right from the start they should have done this.

Port your technology into other hardware/software and that is where you get the big money and you make their product desirable because of it.

Instead Tivo let Dish reverse engineer this and they lose out and have to go to court for 10 years while Dish makes $$ and probably will win in the long run.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:04:00 +0000

Looks like you posted this a little too soon. Anyone familiar with the court system knows-- or should have known before posting something so stupid as saying that DISH customer's DVRs will likely be shut off soon-- that the appeal process isn't complete. Why don't you try getting all of the facts right/researching before posting something like this? Sure, you got this on Digg - but you look like a moron now that you've needed to take back that customers are screwed when, in fact, they're not.

This is the first time I've visited your blog and I'm certain it will be the last. I sure hope no one is actually relying on your blog in the belief that you offer factual information.

From my experience with DISH (significant first hand work in the satellite world and with DISH), this will go on for a while. Anyone who knows Charlie (CEO) knows he's litigious and will fight with everything he's got to attempt to win in any court case. It's what he does.

For those of you who are with DISH and think you're screwed because of this jump-the-gun post, think again: DISH may have to pay up to TiVo, but the DVRs are not going to be shut off. As mentioned in a previous post, the new software pushed by DISH does not violate the patents held by TiVo. And remember: DISH was ONLY found in violation of the software claims, NOT the hardware claims.

So now, go sit back and relax and continue watching your commercial free recordings.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:52:00 +0000

The issue here is one being played out many times over. patents are not intended to protect you from someone doing business like you do, and software patents are the worst. Think about the stupidity of some patents if applied to things in the early 1900's

We have patents that say things like, "a system that lists the customers in the order they clicked and serves them in that order providing up to date information on the approximate wait time to each customer."

That may sound ridiculous, but there are NUMEROUS patents for ideas just as novel (one click purchasing anyone)

Given my above example, Lines and Queues effectively have been patented...kinda like the patent that has Netflix Queues as infringing. Someone patented the idea of you putting things you want on a list, and providing them to you in that order....software patents are BAD.

BUSINESS MODEL patents are bogus corporate greed, nothing more

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By: Nadum

Nadum — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:36:00 +0000

Thanks to anon (12:15 pm) for speaking the truth. I don’t have a TiVo but I can’t imagine how anyone could hate them. They were the first ones to take a financial risk for DVR.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 12:14:00 +0000

It’s sad to see Tivo characterized so poorly by so many. You say the patent covers somethign self-evident, but perhaps you don’t remember the state of things when the Tivo came around. DVDs were still novel, NO ONE had consumer HDD recorders in their homes and Tivo, a tiny start-up came around and changed that. Almost immediately they were screwed over and attacked by the larger megalithic corporations (for example, echostar) who did everything — including stealing their technology — to stop this tiny company from starting a revolution before they could get their piece.

Flash forward almost a decade and tivo is /finally/ winning, only everyone seems to have forgotten that they’re the hero in this story. Why? Because you happen to be a patron of the mega-corp they took on? That’s absurd.

Tivo didn’t “win” — They just finally saw justice done. This is an example of patent /finally/ being used the way it should be (to foster innovation and protect the innovators), but none of you care. Why? Because you’re afraid you’ll need to shell out money for a tivo box? Relax. That ain’t gonna happen anyway.

By: Anonymous

Anonymous — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 11:30:00 +0000

Amen brother. I feel sorry for the people on cable and their high bills. I love setting with my kids and watching prerecorded stuff, recording movies to watch later. I don’t have a problem with skipping the crappy commercials and watching the thoughtful or funny ones. Suing as a business model does not work. Corporations that op for the lawyer rather than innovation are destined to fail in the long run. I’ll build an open source system before buying something from these folks and so will lots of others. Keep fighting for us Mr. Dish. This site is full of a lot of misinformation.