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		<title>By: Sam K.</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/03/question-authority-and-why-its-time-to.html/comment-page-1#comment-3022</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 15:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wikipedia has a pretty interesting entry on the topic of cell phones on airplanes.  Particularly interesting to me was the section addressing the &quot;physics&quot; behind cell phone/tower interaction (aka channel reuse).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As far as the navigation system interference, I agree that it seems unlikely that my $50 phone could take down a billion dollar aircraft.  But whereas I agree that it might not be reasonable to think that one phone could cause a problem, I wonder as to the effect of 220 phones crammed into roughly 250 cubic meters.  I will be the first to admit that I don&#039;t have anything *close* to the right training/knowledge to figure this one out, so I leave it to the people who get paid to do this sort of stuff.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;One line of note in the wikipedia article comes in the &quot;Electromagnetic Interference&quot; section and says, essentially, that a major reason for the ban is that the FAA/FCC don&#039;t want to pay for the testing to figure it out.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And you have to feel for the FAA (at least a little), because much like the FDA, these people get absolutely no credit for the things that go right on their watch and 100% of the blame for the things that go wrong.  Add to that the fact that the blame typically comes hot on the heels of unimaginable horrors and usually involves Congressional hearings. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Wikipedia article also addresses the competition from in-flight telephone services as well as social considerations, so all in all it appears fairly balanced, at least to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of this is by way of saying that its right or wrong to leave your phone on during a flight.  Its only to say that there are a few different explanations of the reasoning behind the ban.  Whether or not one believes them is one&#039;s own choice, but they are there nonetheless.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My apologies for coming late to the conversation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wikipedia has a pretty interesting entry on the topic of cell phones on airplanes.  Particularly interesting to me was the section addressing the &#8220;physics&#8221; behind cell phone/tower interaction (aka channel reuse).</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phones_on_aircraft</a></p>
<p>As far as the navigation system interference, I agree that it seems unlikely that my $50 phone could take down a billion dollar aircraft.  But whereas I agree that it might not be reasonable to think that one phone could cause a problem, I wonder as to the effect of 220 phones crammed into roughly 250 cubic meters.  I will be the first to admit that I don&#8217;t have anything *close* to the right training/knowledge to figure this one out, so I leave it to the people who get paid to do this sort of stuff.</p>
<p>One line of note in the wikipedia article comes in the &#8220;Electromagnetic Interference&#8221; section and says, essentially, that a major reason for the ban is that the FAA/FCC don&#8217;t want to pay for the testing to figure it out.  </p>
<p>And you have to feel for the FAA (at least a little), because much like the FDA, these people get absolutely no credit for the things that go right on their watch and 100% of the blame for the things that go wrong.  Add to that the fact that the blame typically comes hot on the heels of unimaginable horrors and usually involves Congressional hearings. </p>
<p>The Wikipedia article also addresses the competition from in-flight telephone services as well as social considerations, so all in all it appears fairly balanced, at least to me.</p>
<p>None of this is by way of saying that its right or wrong to leave your phone on during a flight.  Its only to say that there are a few different explanations of the reasoning behind the ban.  Whether or not one believes them is one&#8217;s own choice, but they are there nonetheless.</p>
<p>My apologies for coming late to the conversation.</p>
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		<title>By: TranceMist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranceMist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent post.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Most of this &quot;security&quot; bullshit, including the &quot;security threat level&quot; is intended to keep everyone paranoid  so more money can go to all of the defense contractors and everyone else who profits from war and fear.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I never turn my phone off either, I just put it on vibrate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent post.</p>
<p>Most of this &#8220;security&#8221; bullshit, including the &#8220;security threat level&#8221; is intended to keep everyone paranoid  so more money can go to all of the defense contractors and everyone else who profits from war and fear.</p>
<p>I never turn my phone off either, I just put it on vibrate.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 07:08:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A provocative post. No question that many (or most) people leave their phones on -- the message notices start the second you hit the ground. And since it doesn&#039;t seem to have brought down a plane yet, maybe there&#039;s nothing to the concern. But I personally wouldn&#039;t want to find out differently. Since my phone sends out interference that can make even unplugged speakerphones buzz, there&#039;s some serious interference going out of some of these units. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I KNOW my shampoo bottle isn&#039;t filled with picric acid, so yes I get frustrated at the nonsense attendant to these ridiculous restrictions. But with cellphones, enough is not known that I feel it&#039;s not an unreasonable restriction.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, who are you people who have to be on the phone every damn minute? I am really kinda hoping that someday they DO show health effects from cell phones, because then it will be safe to ride my bike on the road again without having to worry about people who think they&#039;re piloting two-ton phone booths.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A provocative post. No question that many (or most) people leave their phones on &#8212; the message notices start the second you hit the ground. And since it doesn&#8217;t seem to have brought down a plane yet, maybe there&#8217;s nothing to the concern. But I personally wouldn&#8217;t want to find out differently. Since my phone sends out interference that can make even unplugged speakerphones buzz, there&#8217;s some serious interference going out of some of these units. </p>
<p>I KNOW my shampoo bottle isn&#8217;t filled with picric acid, so yes I get frustrated at the nonsense attendant to these ridiculous restrictions. But with cellphones, enough is not known that I feel it&#8217;s not an unreasonable restriction.</p>
<p>Also, who are you people who have to be on the phone every damn minute? I am really kinda hoping that someday they DO show health effects from cell phones, because then it will be safe to ride my bike on the road again without having to worry about people who think they&#8217;re piloting two-ton phone booths.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TH - Great post.  Your tone is definitely about the blind following of the general public, which is what gets us in trouble in the first place.  We really need to question authority, and keep check on the authority that keeps check on us.  If everyone were more educated about the threats and dangers, we would be better equipped to find the proverbial needle in the haystack.  Instead, we are instructed in abstract manners to a very real threat.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I really don&#039;t like the attacks some people are making in their comments.  Like the one about parents and rules -- so are you saying the government is all grown-up and we, the general public, are simply children?  Unfortunately, it is the world we live in; the general public is too passive about our freedoms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TH &#8211; Great post.  Your tone is definitely about the blind following of the general public, which is what gets us in trouble in the first place.  We really need to question authority, and keep check on the authority that keeps check on us.  If everyone were more educated about the threats and dangers, we would be better equipped to find the proverbial needle in the haystack.  Instead, we are instructed in abstract manners to a very real threat.  </p>
<p>I really don&#8217;t like the attacks some people are making in their comments.  Like the one about parents and rules &#8212; so are you saying the government is all grown-up and we, the general public, are simply children?  Unfortunately, it is the world we live in; the general public is too passive about our freedoms.</p>
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		<title>By: Alain</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 02:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few years ago I got &quot;caught&quot; with a wrench in my laptop bag at San Francisco international. I didn&#039;t even know it was in my bag and security at Heathrow on the way out didn&#039;t spot it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was told it was illegal to carry a wrench and at the risk of making things worse asked why. &quot;Because you could take parts of the plane apart sir&quot;. Amazing, as much as I hate flying I&#039;ve never once felt compelled to take parts of a the plane off. Would a terrorist really do that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few years ago I got &#8220;caught&#8221; with a wrench in my laptop bag at San Francisco international. I didn&#8217;t even know it was in my bag and security at Heathrow on the way out didn&#8217;t spot it. </p>
<p>I was told it was illegal to carry a wrench and at the risk of making things worse asked why. &#8220;Because you could take parts of the plane apart sir&#8221;. Amazing, as much as I hate flying I&#8217;ve never once felt compelled to take parts of a the plane off. Would a terrorist really do that?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Oster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Oster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 23:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I wear a size 12 shoe and since I have flat feet I like cushy soles, which are usually pretty thick like on my John Fluevog&#039;s.  I could easily hollow out the bottoms and put a hunting knife in there.  Just saying.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Everything else I agree with, I&#039;m pretty sure the freaking 1/8 static electricity spark that I almost always produce at gas stations when I touch my car could cause a lot more damage than my cell phone.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said security shouldn&#039;t shoulder all the blame, a lot of it rests squarely on the tax-paying public.  Whenever something goes horribly wrong the public wants to know *how* the security *let* this horrible thing happen, someone must *pay* for it.  In hindsight it&#039;s always obvious that the person with a classic shaving straight razor shouldn&#039;t have been let on board or that those two chemicals could create a bomb.  Usually someone complaining about the long security line is the exact same person to write an op-ed piece about the how blind security was for not noticing the *obviously* suspicious looking person.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As much as I wish it was otherwise the issue isn&#039;t nearly as neatly black &amp; white as you make it out to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I wear a size 12 shoe and since I have flat feet I like cushy soles, which are usually pretty thick like on my John Fluevog&#8217;s.  I could easily hollow out the bottoms and put a hunting knife in there.  Just saying.</p>
<p>Everything else I agree with, I&#8217;m pretty sure the freaking 1/8 static electricity spark that I almost always produce at gas stations when I touch my car could cause a lot more damage than my cell phone.</p>
<p>That said security shouldn&#8217;t shoulder all the blame, a lot of it rests squarely on the tax-paying public.  Whenever something goes horribly wrong the public wants to know *how* the security *let* this horrible thing happen, someone must *pay* for it.  In hindsight it&#8217;s always obvious that the person with a classic shaving straight razor shouldn&#8217;t have been let on board or that those two chemicals could create a bomb.  Usually someone complaining about the long security line is the exact same person to write an op-ed piece about the how blind security was for not noticing the *obviously* suspicious looking person.</p>
<p>As much as I wish it was otherwise the issue isn&#8217;t nearly as neatly black &#038; white as you make it out to be.</p>
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		<title>By: the marquise de sade</title>
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		<dc:creator>the marquise de sade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:57:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas I admire you writing this post. In many ways we are kindred spirits (I hope this doesn&#039;t disgust you!). Sadly people are indoctrinated into society believing that certain things are mandatory in order to integrate, and obedience to authority is one of them. These rules are designed as control mechanisms because most people NEED to be told what to do. Critical thinking is lacking in most people and we who can think pay the price by being expected to blindly obey.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sometimes you have to use your own ethical and moral radar and apply it logically and judiciously and brave the consequences. I may be a cantankerous bitch, but I&#039;m a bitch with morals and a very clearcut sense of right and wrong. I always root for the underdog, and unfortunately WE as photographers and citizens are now the underdogs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve been fascinated with the work of Milgram over the past several years. It merely proved to me something I already knew intuitively, that most people are driven by fear (immediate visceral fear and fear of negative consequences) rather than logic and a compassionate moral compass. One of the most fascinating elements is the concept that people are so willing to absolve themselves of personal responsibility because &quot;someone else&quot; told them to do something. They don&#039;t even need to BE an authority, they just need to APPEAR to be an authority figure!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Even though I may feel quite negatively towards someone I can&#039;t imagine ever doing something so heinous. I always put myself in the other persons shoes and see how I would feel, and when I do violate my sense of morality for whatever reason I always feel guilt and remorse afterwards and try to rectify the situation. There are many however who do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The Stanford Prison experiments are another touchstone to focus on in terms of control and fear and how humans interact in certain situations. As far as photography goes, I take mostly street candids and have yet to be accosted by law enforcement - I usually am verbally assaulted at least once each time I venture out. But to me it is worth the risk. London is my favority city and it is sad what has happened there, and is surely to become more prevalent in the US.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for writing this. Would like to see you blog on some of the other abuses occuring in our country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas I admire you writing this post. In many ways we are kindred spirits (I hope this doesn&#8217;t disgust you!). Sadly people are indoctrinated into society believing that certain things are mandatory in order to integrate, and obedience to authority is one of them. These rules are designed as control mechanisms because most people NEED to be told what to do. Critical thinking is lacking in most people and we who can think pay the price by being expected to blindly obey.</p>
<p>Sometimes you have to use your own ethical and moral radar and apply it logically and judiciously and brave the consequences. I may be a cantankerous bitch, but I&#8217;m a bitch with morals and a very clearcut sense of right and wrong. I always root for the underdog, and unfortunately WE as photographers and citizens are now the underdogs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been fascinated with the work of Milgram over the past several years. It merely proved to me something I already knew intuitively, that most people are driven by fear (immediate visceral fear and fear of negative consequences) rather than logic and a compassionate moral compass. One of the most fascinating elements is the concept that people are so willing to absolve themselves of personal responsibility because &#8220;someone else&#8221; told them to do something. They don&#8217;t even need to BE an authority, they just need to APPEAR to be an authority figure!</p>
<p>Even though I may feel quite negatively towards someone I can&#8217;t imagine ever doing something so heinous. I always put myself in the other persons shoes and see how I would feel, and when I do violate my sense of morality for whatever reason I always feel guilt and remorse afterwards and try to rectify the situation. There are many however who do not.</p>
<p>The Stanford Prison experiments are another touchstone to focus on in terms of control and fear and how humans interact in certain situations. As far as photography goes, I take mostly street candids and have yet to be accosted by law enforcement &#8211; I usually am verbally assaulted at least once each time I venture out. But to me it is worth the risk. London is my favority city and it is sad what has happened there, and is surely to become more prevalent in the US.</p>
<p>Thanks for writing this. Would like to see you blog on some of the other abuses occuring in our country.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a difference between questioning authority, and blindly being a jerk under the cover of legitimately questioning authority. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You plainly cross the line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a difference between questioning authority, and blindly being a jerk under the cover of legitimately questioning authority. </p>
<p>You plainly cross the line.</p>
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		<title>By: shvelmur</title>
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		<dc:creator>shvelmur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I read your post and the comments here, something that I learnt early in my life, comes to mind.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&quot;It is the power to question, particularly, &quot;why?&quot;, that makes us human&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I read your post and the comments here, something that I learnt early in my life, comes to mind.</p>
<p>&#8220;It is the power to question, particularly, &#8220;why?&#8221;, that makes us human&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lloyd England</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lloyd England</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The reason you take your shoes off at airports... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Reid</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason you take your shoes off at airports&#8230; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Reid" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Colvin_Reid</a></p>
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