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	<title>Comments on: iStockphoto&#8217;s user vulcanacar = Photo Thief</title>
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		<title>By: Lon Lauters</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-368547</link>
		<dc:creator>Lon Lauters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Jan 2011 08:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What great resource!</description>
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		<title>By: Tom Sparks</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-27050</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Sparks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 18:35:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ocean, Rebekka explains how she found out about the theft on her Flickr post about it.  Read instead of wonder.  Sorry to be snarky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ocean, Rebekka explains how she found out about the theft on her Flickr post about it.  Read instead of wonder.  Sorry to be snarky.</p>
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		<title>By: ocean</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-3587</link>
		<dc:creator>ocean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious how Rebekka ended up finding the images. If you think about this, it could be happening to any of us photographers and we might never even find it because really it is a vast internet out there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, it is obvious that some people need to take the time to look into copyright law and fair use information. Gah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious how Rebekka ended up finding the images. If you think about this, it could be happening to any of us photographers and we might never even find it because really it is a vast internet out there. </p>
<p>Also, it is obvious that some people need to take the time to look into copyright law and fair use information. Gah.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-3588</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:28:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;God I hope we find out these were uploaded by Richard Prince.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Haha, somehow I doubt it.  I suspect he&#039;d want to get paid a little more than 20% of $3.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>God I hope we find out these were uploaded by Richard Prince.</i></p>
<p>Haha, somehow I doubt it.  I suspect he&#8217;d want to get paid a little more than 20% of $3.</p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Brenizer</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-3589</link>
		<dc:creator>Ryan Brenizer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 17:35:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>God I hope we find out these were uploaded by Richard Prince.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>God I hope we find out these were uploaded by Richard Prince.</p>
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		<title>By: CJPhoto</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-3590</link>
		<dc:creator>CJPhoto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 15:44:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That photo has been online at Istock since October 06.  Will be interesting to here what deal iStock agree to or whether they just pass blame straight onto the contributor.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The problem with the interest stock sites (not just microstock) is that it is almost impossible to monitor this to stop it happening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hopefully you will get an update on this</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That photo has been online at Istock since October 06.  Will be interesting to here what deal iStock agree to or whether they just pass blame straight onto the contributor.</p>
<p>The problem with the interest stock sites (not just microstock) is that it is almost impossible to monitor this to stop it happening.</p>
<p>Hopefully you will get an update on this</p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2008/02/istockphoto-user-vulcanacar-photo-thief.html/comment-page-1#comment-3591</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;but slagging valleywag? Yes, it&#039;s like the national enquirer, but I used to always say that the National Enquirer was invariably right.&lt;br /&gt;Since they got rid of Kevin Rose&#039;s pet Nick Douglas, I have found the reporting about digg.com has been very accurate. &lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;hmmmmm... interesting Owen.  I&#039;ve found inaccuracies coming from Owen Thomas as much as Nick Douglas.  I&#039;m not a big fan of the shoot first verify facts later approach to the publication.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;Thomas,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Theft is theft. Thomas Hawk doesn&#039;t get to decide. There is no difference...when a work is marked &quot;all rights reserved&quot; it means the author wishes to decide on how the imagery is used.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I disagree.  There is such a concept as &quot;fair use.&quot;  It&#039;s long been upheld by the courts.  Yes, Major League Baseball holds copyright and gets to decide how their work may be used.  But... I also have a right to record their game on my TiVo at my house *and gasp* zap the commercials out of their broadcast that represents their very livelyhood.  Do you think that they want me to zap the commercials out of their broadcast, their fine work of sports/art?  Of course not.  And yet the courts have ruled that I can modify their work for my own private viewing pleasure.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The point is that it is near to impossible to completely live within the letter of the law with regards to copyright.  Every logo, every advertisement, etc. etc. is copyrighted.  And yet I don&#039;t go out of my way to get approval of a copyright owner before I shoot and publish my own versions of their copyrighted material.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not theft.  The world is not as black and white as you think it is anonymous.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happened to Rebekka *is* theft and it&#039;s something very different than parody or other fair use.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If Weird Al decides that he thinks it&#039;s funny to rip off Michael Jackson&#039;s tune to &quot;Beat It&quot; and change the words instead to &quot;Eat It&quot; (all the while keeping the same notes and melody), this is in fact legally permitted as fair use.  It doesn&#039;t matter if Michael Jackson hates the song and hates the fact that his original work of art has been mauled by some nut job named Weird Al. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think especially when works of art are derivative or even better social commentary on popular culture that copyright doesn&#039;t mean dick.  Andy Warhol ripped copyright all the time.  His most famous work of art ripped Campbell&#039;s soup.  Richard Prince rips Marlboro and the photographers that shot for Marlboro ads when he creates his art.  These are not theft in my opinion.  These are repackaging and social commentary on our culture.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What happened to Rebekka is very different.  This is outright theft with no redemption socially or artistically to speak of.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have a set of images called &quot;So This is America.&quot;  Most of the images in this set violate copyright.  The set is a commentary on how invasive advertising and popular culture is in our lives as Americans.  It doesn&#039;t bother me one bit that I&#039;ve violated hundreds of copyrights with this set.  I don&#039;t consider it theft at all.  I consider it art.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/thomashawk/sets/72157594491975505/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>but slagging valleywag? Yes, it&#8217;s like the national enquirer, but I used to always say that the National Enquirer was invariably right.<br />Since they got rid of Kevin Rose&#8217;s pet Nick Douglas, I have found the reporting about digg.com has been very accurate. </i></p>
<p>hmmmmm&#8230; interesting Owen.  I&#8217;ve found inaccuracies coming from Owen Thomas as much as Nick Douglas.  I&#8217;m not a big fan of the shoot first verify facts later approach to the publication.</p>
<p><i>Thomas,</p>
<p>Theft is theft. Thomas Hawk doesn&#8217;t get to decide. There is no difference&#8230;when a work is marked &#8220;all rights reserved&#8221; it means the author wishes to decide on how the imagery is used.</i></p>
<p>I disagree.  There is such a concept as &#8220;fair use.&#8221;  It&#8217;s long been upheld by the courts.  Yes, Major League Baseball holds copyright and gets to decide how their work may be used.  But&#8230; I also have a right to record their game on my TiVo at my house *and gasp* zap the commercials out of their broadcast that represents their very livelyhood.  Do you think that they want me to zap the commercials out of their broadcast, their fine work of sports/art?  Of course not.  And yet the courts have ruled that I can modify their work for my own private viewing pleasure.</p>
<p>The point is that it is near to impossible to completely live within the letter of the law with regards to copyright.  Every logo, every advertisement, etc. etc. is copyrighted.  And yet I don&#8217;t go out of my way to get approval of a copyright owner before I shoot and publish my own versions of their copyrighted material.  </p>
<p>This is not theft.  The world is not as black and white as you think it is anonymous.  </p>
<p>What happened to Rebekka *is* theft and it&#8217;s something very different than parody or other fair use.</p>
<p>If Weird Al decides that he thinks it&#8217;s funny to rip off Michael Jackson&#8217;s tune to &#8220;Beat It&#8221; and change the words instead to &#8220;Eat It&#8221; (all the while keeping the same notes and melody), this is in fact legally permitted as fair use.  It doesn&#8217;t matter if Michael Jackson hates the song and hates the fact that his original work of art has been mauled by some nut job named Weird Al. </p>
<p>I think especially when works of art are derivative or even better social commentary on popular culture that copyright doesn&#8217;t mean dick.  Andy Warhol ripped copyright all the time.  His most famous work of art ripped Campbell&#8217;s soup.  Richard Prince rips Marlboro and the photographers that shot for Marlboro ads when he creates his art.  These are not theft in my opinion.  These are repackaging and social commentary on our culture.</p>
<p>What happened to Rebekka is very different.  This is outright theft with no redemption socially or artistically to speak of.  </p>
<p>I have a set of images called &#8220;So This is America.&#8221;  Most of the images in this set violate copyright.  The set is a commentary on how invasive advertising and popular culture is in our lives as Americans.  It doesn&#8217;t bother me one bit that I&#8217;ve violated hundreds of copyrights with this set.  I don&#8217;t consider it theft at all.  I consider it art.</p>
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		<title>By: ojbyrne2</title>
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		<dc:creator>ojbyrne2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 08:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I couldn&#039;t care less about copyright issues anymore, but slagging valleywag? Yes, it&#039;s like the national enquirer, but I used to always say that the National Enquirer was invariably right. &lt;br /&gt;Since they got rid of Kevin Rose&#039;s pet Nick Douglas, I have found the reporting about digg.com has been very accurate. &lt;br /&gt;Just because some rich people dislike what&#039;s being said about them, doesn&#039;t mean it isn&#039;t true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I couldn&#8217;t care less about copyright issues anymore, but slagging valleywag? Yes, it&#8217;s like the national enquirer, but I used to always say that the National Enquirer was invariably right. <br />Since they got rid of Kevin Rose&#8217;s pet Nick Douglas, I have found the reporting about digg.com has been very accurate. <br />Just because some rich people dislike what&#8217;s being said about them, doesn&#8217;t mean it isn&#8217;t true.</p>
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		<title>By: Fati.m.a</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fati.m.a</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 00:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, well any time original work is copied or parodied under the fair use and as long as it ain&#039;t making bucks its ok. I agree with disorientated, but what this iStock photo dude is doin is selling the work without even acknowledging rebbeka, thts a shame! I feel Sorry rebbeka! I am studying her work aswelll, but i guess thereis a line between copying for sale and refering for research, this iStockphoto dude must  and i am sur will pay!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, well any time original work is copied or parodied under the fair use and as long as it ain&#8217;t making bucks its ok. I agree with disorientated, but what this iStock photo dude is doin is selling the work without even acknowledging rebbeka, thts a shame! I feel Sorry rebbeka! I am studying her work aswelll, but i guess thereis a line between copying for sale and refering for research, this iStockphoto dude must  and i am sur will pay!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Feb 2008 19:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>again???&lt;br /&gt;this happened like a yr ago to her. &lt;br /&gt;jeez.&lt;br /&gt;f&#039;in tools out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>again???<br />this happened like a yr ago to her. <br />jeez.<br />f&#8217;in tools out there.</p>
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