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	<title>Comments on: Chris Nixon&#8217;s Photografr.com</title>
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		<title>By: alan</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6512</link>
		<dc:creator>alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jul 2007 11:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, lets hope he gives his opinion.</description>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6513</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jul 2007 20:39:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh I see, Thomas has enough time to post three more blog posts, mess around with Pownce, and play with video. But not enough to respond in this post where I&#039;m asking him about his apparent support of a blog that builds itself on using other peoples copyrighted photos without asking permission first (as indicated by Chris&#039; response above).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Considering that Thomas is normally so vocal about copyright infringement, why so quiet in this case? Probably because he has no good answer for why he&#039;s &lt;b&gt;promoting&lt;/b&gt; copyright infringement and hoping that this post will just scroll off the blog and die un-noticed, which I&#039;m sure it will.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Way to go to for protecting your user&#039;s interests. And Chris what do you think will happen when you finally blog a photo of a user who notices and reacts by posting in a Zooomr group going &quot;OMG a site is stealing my photos and lots of other users, what&#039;s Zooomr going to do to stop this?&quot;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess he&#039;ll either tell you to take all the copyrighted Zooomr photos down, or tell the user that it&#039;s up to them and Zooomr isn&#039;t going to do anything to help them (in this case).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Thomas, any answers? Thomas?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Nope, didn&#039;t think so, and I bet when I check back in a few days time you still haven&#039;t.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Because there&#039;s no way you can justify the position of &lt;b&gt;supporting&lt;/b&gt; a website that illegally uses (but in a nice good way, not like that nasty Valleywag) photos from the site you&#039;re a CEO of.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hypocrite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh I see, Thomas has enough time to post three more blog posts, mess around with Pownce, and play with video. But not enough to respond in this post where I&#8217;m asking him about his apparent support of a blog that builds itself on using other peoples copyrighted photos without asking permission first (as indicated by Chris&#8217; response above).</p>
<p>Considering that Thomas is normally so vocal about copyright infringement, why so quiet in this case? Probably because he has no good answer for why he&#8217;s <b>promoting</b> copyright infringement and hoping that this post will just scroll off the blog and die un-noticed, which I&#8217;m sure it will.</p>
<p>Way to go to for protecting your user&#8217;s interests. And Chris what do you think will happen when you finally blog a photo of a user who notices and reacts by posting in a Zooomr group going &#8220;OMG a site is stealing my photos and lots of other users, what&#8217;s Zooomr going to do to stop this?&#8221;.</p>
<p>I guess he&#8217;ll either tell you to take all the copyrighted Zooomr photos down, or tell the user that it&#8217;s up to them and Zooomr isn&#8217;t going to do anything to help them (in this case).</p>
<p>So Thomas, any answers? Thomas?</p>
<p>Nope, didn&#8217;t think so, and I bet when I check back in a few days time you still haven&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Because there&#8217;s no way you can justify the position of <b>supporting</b> a website that illegally uses (but in a nice good way, not like that nasty Valleywag) photos from the site you&#8217;re a CEO of.</p>
<p>Hypocrite.</p>
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		<title>By: Sridhar</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6514</link>
		<dc:creator>Sridhar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 23:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is batch uploading option on the list of &#039;to-dos&#039; for Zooomr?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is batch uploading option on the list of &#8216;to-dos&#8217; for Zooomr?</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6515</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 15:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for leaving a reply Chris. I want to stress that I &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; love the blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s just that, as you point out, it&#039;s fair to assume that if the user has the &quot;blog this&quot; button &lt;i&gt;on&lt;/i&gt; (on flickr) that they&#039;re happy to have the photo blogged. Or if they have a Creative Commons License that allows it.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The opposite is that if they have the &quot;blog this&quot; button turned &lt;i&gt;off&lt;/i&gt; and full Copyright then they don&#039;t want it blogged or want to be asked first.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the case of Zooomr there is no &quot;blog this&quot; to let people know that they are happy for that to happen and all photos are All Rights Reserved Copyright by default.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So unless they explicitly say in the description or comments that you&#039;re allowed to blog it (or you ask them) I&#039;m going to guess that blogging it is ... within the definition of the law, Copyright infringement. (I&#039;m pretty sure that  who&#039;s hosting it doesn&#039;t change the fact).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe your blog is the difference between &quot;good&quot; copyright infringement and &quot;bad&quot; copyright infringement :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The question though is assuming that 1) all photos on Zooomr are copyright by default. 2) there&#039;s no explicit &quot;blog this&quot; button, option, whatever. 3) there&#039;s no creative commons licenses. That as  your blog seems to be infringing (but in a &quot;good&quot; way) copyright (within the definition of the law, i.e. it&#039;s not fair use), which Thomas sometimes calls Stealing from Photographers. Why is Thomas not protecting Zooomr&#039;s users from having their photo&#039;s copyright infringed and instead promoting it?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It&#039;s possible that a photographer could claim that the value of their photo that they want to sell through the Zooomr&#039;s market is being devalued by people happily blogging it left right and center, without paying attention to the copyright on it. While the sites CEO of promoting such sites.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Other than the sticky legal issues, great blog Chris, keep up the good work. Interested to hear Thomas&#039; views on the matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for leaving a reply Chris. I want to stress that I <i>do</i> love the blog.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that, as you point out, it&#8217;s fair to assume that if the user has the &#8220;blog this&#8221; button <i>on</i> (on flickr) that they&#8217;re happy to have the photo blogged. Or if they have a Creative Commons License that allows it.</p>
<p>The opposite is that if they have the &#8220;blog this&#8221; button turned <i>off</i> and full Copyright then they don&#8217;t want it blogged or want to be asked first.</p>
<p>In the case of Zooomr there is no &#8220;blog this&#8221; to let people know that they are happy for that to happen and all photos are All Rights Reserved Copyright by default.</p>
<p>So unless they explicitly say in the description or comments that you&#8217;re allowed to blog it (or you ask them) I&#8217;m going to guess that blogging it is &#8230; within the definition of the law, Copyright infringement. (I&#8217;m pretty sure that  who&#8217;s hosting it doesn&#8217;t change the fact).</p>
<p>Maybe your blog is the difference between &#8220;good&#8221; copyright infringement and &#8220;bad&#8221; copyright infringement <img src='http://thomashawk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The question though is assuming that 1) all photos on Zooomr are copyright by default. 2) there&#8217;s no explicit &#8220;blog this&#8221; button, option, whatever. 3) there&#8217;s no creative commons licenses. That as  your blog seems to be infringing (but in a &#8220;good&#8221; way) copyright (within the definition of the law, i.e. it&#8217;s not fair use), which Thomas sometimes calls Stealing from Photographers. Why is Thomas not protecting Zooomr&#8217;s users from having their photo&#8217;s copyright infringed and instead promoting it?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s possible that a photographer could claim that the value of their photo that they want to sell through the Zooomr&#8217;s market is being devalued by people happily blogging it left right and center, without paying attention to the copyright on it. While the sites CEO of promoting such sites.</p>
<p>Other than the sticky legal issues, great blog Chris, keep up the good work. Interested to hear Thomas&#8217; views on the matter.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Nixon</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6516</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Nixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 13:43:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Anon,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You raise a fair point. I&#039;ve always made the assumption (which could be wrong) that because I&#039;m not downloading the photo, simply pointing to where the photographer has shared the photo, then it&#039;s OK. I&#039;m not actually hosting their photo. Zooomr/Flickr/Whoever is. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Flickr makes it explicit whether you want to allow your photos to be blogged or not, while other sites (including Zooomr) do not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anybody raised any concern regarding me blogging their photograph (which it never has) then I would, of course take it down immediately.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This may be worth further discussion. The photo sharing websites partly rely on these photos being blogged/myspaced/facebooked to drive traffic to their sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Anon,</p>
<p>You raise a fair point. I&#8217;ve always made the assumption (which could be wrong) that because I&#8217;m not downloading the photo, simply pointing to where the photographer has shared the photo, then it&#8217;s OK. I&#8217;m not actually hosting their photo. Zooomr/Flickr/Whoever is. </p>
<p>Flickr makes it explicit whether you want to allow your photos to be blogged or not, while other sites (including Zooomr) do not.</p>
<p>If anybody raised any concern regarding me blogging their photograph (which it never has) then I would, of course take it down immediately.</p>
<p>This may be worth further discussion. The photo sharing websites partly rely on these photos being blogged/myspaced/facebooked to drive traffic to their sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jul 2007 12:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to ask. While that site looks great and all, it&#039;s obviously infringing on the photographer&#039;s copyright.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;None of those photos used from Zooomr are Creative Commons Licensed. And while Chris does leave a comment on the photo and I&#039;m sure the photographer is happy with the exposure. Isn&#039;t that then leaving the  photographer to ask for it to be removed &lt;i&gt;after&lt;/i&gt; the infringement?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why aren&#039;t you protecting your users photographers rights to copyright and instead promoting a blog that steals your users photos?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m sure there&#039;s a really good answer, which is why I&#039;m asking the question. Have Zooomr&#039;s users signed up to letting their photos be stolen/used in this way when they sign up. Sorry but I haven&#039;t read your sites smallprint when it comes to protecting users copyrights.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sorry I&#039;m anonymous I have no blogger account.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to ask. While that site looks great and all, it&#8217;s obviously infringing on the photographer&#8217;s copyright.</p>
<p>None of those photos used from Zooomr are Creative Commons Licensed. And while Chris does leave a comment on the photo and I&#8217;m sure the photographer is happy with the exposure. Isn&#8217;t that then leaving the  photographer to ask for it to be removed <i>after</i> the infringement?</p>
<p>Why aren&#8217;t you protecting your users photographers rights to copyright and instead promoting a blog that steals your users photos?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s a really good answer, which is why I&#8217;m asking the question. Have Zooomr&#8217;s users signed up to letting their photos be stolen/used in this way when they sign up. Sorry but I haven&#8217;t read your sites smallprint when it comes to protecting users copyrights.</p>
<p>Sorry I&#8217;m anonymous I have no blogger account.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6518</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 21:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great idea, awesome site.</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Nixon</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6519</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Nixon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 14:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Thomas. Your support of the site is very much appreciated. You are welcome to contribute any time you like.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Kurt: The feed link has been given a nice prominent placing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Thomas. Your support of the site is very much appreciated. You are welcome to contribute any time you like.</p>
<p>Kurt: The feed link has been given a nice prominent placing.</p>
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		<title>By: Kurt Brockett</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/07/chris-nixons-photografrcom.html/comment-page-1#comment-6520</link>
		<dc:creator>Kurt Brockett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jul 2007 10:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a fan of both these sites for awhile so it&#039;s glad to see them come together.  To me this is the best way to view photography...meaning having it filtered by another person and presented in an easy to consume stream.  I couldn&#039;t find the RSS link on the site, but for standard WP installs I just added the ?feed=rss2 to get it:  http://photografr.com/?feed=rss2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a fan of both these sites for awhile so it&#8217;s glad to see them come together.  To me this is the best way to view photography&#8230;meaning having it filtered by another person and presented in an easy to consume stream.  I couldn&#8217;t find the RSS link on the site, but for standard WP installs I just added the ?feed=rss2 to get it:  <a href="http://photografr.com/?feed=rss2" rel="nofollow">http://photografr.com/?feed=rss2</a></p>
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