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	<title>Comments on: Anto Kamarian of Cigars by Chivas in Pasadena California, Yeah You, Photography is Still Not a Crime</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/04/anto-kamarian-of-cigars-by-chivas-in.html/comment-page-1#comment-110465</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Youre an idiot Thomas Hawk! Get a life and find something better to do then attack people. What do you want from the public. Sympathy, you jerk!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Youre an idiot Thomas Hawk! Get a life and find something better to do then attack people. What do you want from the public. Sympathy, you jerk!!</p>
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		<title>By: taabitha</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/04/anto-kamarian-of-cigars-by-chivas-in.html/comment-page-1#comment-99646</link>
		<dc:creator>taabitha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Sep 2009 05:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links to your flickr set and zoomr smartset don&#039;t work - not here and not in your flickr post.  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links to your flickr set and zoomr smartset don&#8217;t work &#8211; not here and not in your flickr post.  <img src='http://thomashawk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Two sides to a story</title>
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		<dc:creator>Two sides to a story</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are always two sides to a story. What makes you think that the photographer is correct? Did you hear Anto&#039;s side of the story? 
Angry people always tend to lie in order to attract attention.
So you know, Im not on either side.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are always two sides to a story. What makes you think that the photographer is correct? Did you hear Anto&#8217;s side of the story?<br />
Angry people always tend to lie in order to attract attention.<br />
So you know, Im not on either side.</p>
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		<title>By: The Douch Bag</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/04/anto-kamarian-of-cigars-by-chivas-in.html/comment-page-1#comment-23127</link>
		<dc:creator>The Douch Bag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jan 2009 21:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy thinks he is all that......But he is just the ultimate loser. He went to law school to get his JD, but he never could pass the Bar exam. Hence, never was able to become a lawyer. But he states that 10 years age he left his law practice. What a crock of shit.....He is full of lies! Stands to reason that he learned nothing from going to law school the way he reacted to you!   he also thinks that he is a great womanizer or &quot;player&quot;. He couldn&#039;t attract flies with shit !!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy thinks he is all that&#8230;&#8230;But he is just the ultimate loser. He went to law school to get his JD, but he never could pass the Bar exam. Hence, never was able to become a lawyer. But he states that 10 years age he left his law practice. What a crock of shit&#8230;..He is full of lies! Stands to reason that he learned nothing from going to law school the way he reacted to you!   he also thinks that he is a great womanizer or &#8220;player&#8221;. He couldn&#8217;t attract flies with shit !!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/04/anto-kamarian-of-cigars-by-chivas-in.html/comment-page-1#comment-8255</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stumbled upon your blog via the recent SFMOMA incident, anyways, here&#039;s the cigar shop as captured by Google&#039;s StreetView.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=58+S+De+Lacey+Ave+91105&amp;sll=34.145042,-118.151932&amp;sspn=0.001134,0.002414&amp;layer=c&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=34.149016,-118.152208&amp;spn=0.009074,0.019312&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;cbll=34.144473,-118.152054&amp;panoid=-O3vi2gEUR5bG5OAB3PD6w&amp;cbp=1,354.1282725772656,,0,5&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cigars by Chivas on StreetView&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stumbled upon your blog via the recent SFMOMA incident, anyways, here&#8217;s the cigar shop as captured by Google&#8217;s StreetView.<br /><a href="http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&amp;hl=en&amp;geocode=&amp;q=58+S+De+Lacey+Ave+91105&amp;sll=34.145042,-118.151932&amp;sspn=0.001134,0.002414&amp;layer=c&amp;ie=UTF8&amp;ll=34.149016,-118.152208&amp;spn=0.009074,0.019312&amp;t=h&amp;z=16&amp;cbll=34.144473,-118.152054&amp;panoid=-O3vi2gEUR5bG5OAB3PD6w&amp;cbp=1,354.1282725772656,,0,5" rel="nofollow">Cigars by Chivas on StreetView</a></p>
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		<title>By: Muzzlehatch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Muzzlehatch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 18:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at all this crap. The shop owner was wrong, you were right. It&#039;s as simple as that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At some point, his police officer friend even told him he was wrong, and yet he persisted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It would be wonderful if people did not simply cave and move on when others attempt to bully them and use fear to take away their civil rights.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I don&#039;t know if this guy is really an asshole, but he certainly was full of himself and he honestly needed to be taught the difference between public space and private property. And I&#039;m glad you showed him the difference in a way he&#039;ll remember.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a similar experience recently on the other side of Old Town Pasadena, at the One Colorado building, with a security firm called &quot;Andrews International,&quot; detailed here:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://www.flickr.com/photos/muzzlehatch/2320597432/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at all this crap. The shop owner was wrong, you were right. It&#8217;s as simple as that.</p>
<p>At some point, his police officer friend even told him he was wrong, and yet he persisted.</p>
<p>It would be wonderful if people did not simply cave and move on when others attempt to bully them and use fear to take away their civil rights.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if this guy is really an asshole, but he certainly was full of himself and he honestly needed to be taught the difference between public space and private property. And I&#8217;m glad you showed him the difference in a way he&#8217;ll remember.</p>
<p>I had a similar experience recently on the other side of Old Town Pasadena, at the One Colorado building, with a security firm called &#8220;Andrews International,&#8221; detailed here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/muzzlehatch/2320597432/" rel="nofollow">http://www.flickr.com/photos/muzzlehatch/2320597432/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 08:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got to stand for something or you&#039;ll fall for anything.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You aught to be a grown man, not a puppet on a string....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve got to stand for something or you&#8217;ll fall for anything.</p>
<p>You aught to be a grown man, not a puppet on a string&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 06:58:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Photographers have certain rights and responsibilities and so do CEOs.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure, Thomas Hawk, CEO of Zooomr, could have promptly moved on to another neon sign, but why should he have to do that simply because an arrogant bully feels the need to exert his self-assumed authority on a stranger taking pictures of his shop from the outside in a public space?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Do you think that the behavior by Anto Kamarian, &quot;CEO&quot; of Cigars by Chivas was appropriate?  Is physical assault ok simply because someone refuses to obey a command to put  away a camera and not photograph in a public space?  Would physical assault be ok if someone refused to put out their cigar if smoking it in a public place where smoking is allowed?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Somebody attempted to justify Anto&#039;s actions because of a previous crime, but if Anto Kamarian was so worried about crime from a recent burglary, why didn&#039;t he call the police from the start  or ask his police buddy to come out and talk to Thomas Hawk instead of approaching asking if he&#039;s a reporter.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Clearly, Anto&#039;s police buddy realized Anto was in the wrong and realized the potential gravity of the situation and attempted to pull Anto inside before he really got himself into trouble.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Frankly, Thomas Hawk did take the higher road by refusing to be pushed around by a bully and avoiding a physical altercation.  One could debate endlessly on how the situation and the response to the situation should have been handled.  However, at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, Hawk stood by his principal beliefs, for his rights as a photographer, and for the rights of the community which he represents.  Thus, he felt obliged to share his experience with the online community, however unhappy his words make some feel.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thanks for sharing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;RN</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Photographers have certain rights and responsibilities and so do CEOs.  </p>
<p>Sure, Thomas Hawk, CEO of Zooomr, could have promptly moved on to another neon sign, but why should he have to do that simply because an arrogant bully feels the need to exert his self-assumed authority on a stranger taking pictures of his shop from the outside in a public space?</p>
<p>Do you think that the behavior by Anto Kamarian, &#8220;CEO&#8221; of Cigars by Chivas was appropriate?  Is physical assault ok simply because someone refuses to obey a command to put  away a camera and not photograph in a public space?  Would physical assault be ok if someone refused to put out their cigar if smoking it in a public place where smoking is allowed?</p>
<p>Somebody attempted to justify Anto&#8217;s actions because of a previous crime, but if Anto Kamarian was so worried about crime from a recent burglary, why didn&#8217;t he call the police from the start  or ask his police buddy to come out and talk to Thomas Hawk instead of approaching asking if he&#8217;s a reporter.  </p>
<p>Clearly, Anto&#8217;s police buddy realized Anto was in the wrong and realized the potential gravity of the situation and attempted to pull Anto inside before he really got himself into trouble.</p>
<p>Frankly, Thomas Hawk did take the higher road by refusing to be pushed around by a bully and avoiding a physical altercation.  One could debate endlessly on how the situation and the response to the situation should have been handled.  However, at the end of the day, whether you like it or not, Hawk stood by his principal beliefs, for his rights as a photographer, and for the rights of the community which he represents.  Thus, he felt obliged to share his experience with the online community, however unhappy his words make some feel.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>RN</p>
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		<title>By: Rory H</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rory H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Oct 2007 00:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I worked for Anto and you are right he looks for this kind of fight and is a vary mean man&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;R</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I worked for Anto and you are right he looks for this kind of fight and is a vary mean man</p>
<p>R</p>
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		<title>By: L.J.</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2007/04/anto-kamarian-of-cigars-by-chivas-in.html/comment-page-1#comment-8269</link>
		<dc:creator>L.J.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 20:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear sir,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Your point would mean more if you were, perhaps, documenting something poignant when you where accosted like genocide, poverty, or soldiers deploying for Iraq and then returning, fewer in number than when they left. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I wish you would pick your battles more carefully. With your fiery heart, you could do a lot a good for downtrodden peoples who truly need to have their situations documented and explained.  Instead, you use your indomitable strength for something as petty and as unbecoming of your character as this scuffle.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its is absolutely wonderful that you are so patriotic and you revel in the freedoms this country provides.  Why not see about traveling to Iraq and turning your wonderful camera on those who fight to protect your freedoms everyday. I&#039;m sure the families at home would be estatic to recieve pictures of their loved ones from overseas, especially when time consuming duties prevent a lot of the soldiers from taking their own.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When you are done in Iraq, why not travel to Darfur, Sudan and document whether or not UN deployment of peacekeepers is having any effect, or to Banda Achee in Thailand to document how restoration of the tsunami area has progressed.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If international travel is not for you, I hear New Orleans, LA is still in dire need of exposure, as rebuilding there still proceeds at a very slow pace. Why, I am sure that even in your own city there are downtrodden people who struggles the world would love to learn about and embrace.  &lt;br /&gt; &lt;br /&gt;I implore you.  Please use your talent and skill for things more worthy of them. Its a blessing that you have them in the first place.  As you have so often said yourself, it is a blessing to be a in country that allows you to hone your photographic skill at just about any location you choose.  So please, I implore, you to abandon petty debates such as this one (which deep down you know have only and will only benefit you in the long run) and take up the causes of the poor disenfranchised souls who truly deserve your &quot;publicity&quot;.   &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thank you for your time,&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;L.J.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear sir,</p>
<p>Your point would mean more if you were, perhaps, documenting something poignant when you where accosted like genocide, poverty, or soldiers deploying for Iraq and then returning, fewer in number than when they left. </p>
<p>I wish you would pick your battles more carefully. With your fiery heart, you could do a lot a good for downtrodden peoples who truly need to have their situations documented and explained.  Instead, you use your indomitable strength for something as petty and as unbecoming of your character as this scuffle.  </p>
<p>Its is absolutely wonderful that you are so patriotic and you revel in the freedoms this country provides.  Why not see about traveling to Iraq and turning your wonderful camera on those who fight to protect your freedoms everyday. I&#8217;m sure the families at home would be estatic to recieve pictures of their loved ones from overseas, especially when time consuming duties prevent a lot of the soldiers from taking their own.   </p>
<p>When you are done in Iraq, why not travel to Darfur, Sudan and document whether or not UN deployment of peacekeepers is having any effect, or to Banda Achee in Thailand to document how restoration of the tsunami area has progressed.  </p>
<p>If international travel is not for you, I hear New Orleans, LA is still in dire need of exposure, as rebuilding there still proceeds at a very slow pace. Why, I am sure that even in your own city there are downtrodden people who struggles the world would love to learn about and embrace.  </p>
<p>I implore you.  Please use your talent and skill for things more worthy of them. Its a blessing that you have them in the first place.  As you have so often said yourself, it is a blessing to be a in country that allows you to hone your photographic skill at just about any location you choose.  So please, I implore, you to abandon petty debates such as this one (which deep down you know have only and will only benefit you in the long run) and take up the causes of the poor disenfranchised souls who truly deserve your &#8220;publicity&#8221;.   </p>
<p>Thank you for your time,</p>
<p>L.J.</p>
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