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	<title>Comments on: Yahoo Merging Yahoo Photos Into Flickr Valleywag Says</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 22:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the &quot;Interestingness&quot; section?</description>
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		<title>By: TranceMist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TranceMist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:40:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you on this one Tom. IMO the two serve very different audiences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you on this one Tom. IMO the two serve very different audiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Oster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shawn Oster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel flickr has been at the place you fear it&#039;s going to become.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For example I rarely see anything that interesting in the &quot;Everyone&#039;s Photos&quot; section, mostly just snapshots, nothing of shutterbug quality.  It isn&#039;t until I hit the Interestingness section that I see anything really amazing.  It also seems that pictures tend to rack up &quot;Interestingness&quot; by the photographers being in self-created and self-moderated groups that are known for high quality shots.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;flickr is already a majority of pretty standard snapshot, party pics with a small minority of real quality pictures.  It just happens that the minority has carved itself a great niche with their groups and flickr has found a great way to help people discover those pictures with it&#039;s interestingness feature so people like myself that can&#039;t take an artist shot to save his life still get to admire other&#039;s great work.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m curious how this move would in any way alienate the shutterbug crowd?  The groups would stay the same, the best would still float to the top and in fact I doubt that many Yahoo Pictures folks would even bother to tag their photos so unless you caught a brief glimpse of a newly uploaded photo in the &quot;Everyone&#039;s&quot; section it would more than likely just disappear into the aether.&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps a good lesson to take from this for Zoomr would be how to project the image that you&#039;d prefer Zoomr to be more of a &quot;photographer/shutterbug/photog&quot; community rather than a place to store and sort your photos.  When I land on Zoomr the first thing I think of is, &quot;cool, another place to dump my 10,000 random pictures of friends, family and places taken in bad light and with no framing skills.&quot;  I don&#039;t really understand that I shouldn&#039;t be putting up those candid snapshots and that I should instead be striving for artist photographs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;ve alway felt flickr did a good job of being whatever you wanted to make of it, either a photo dumping and sharing ground for the likes of me or a great place to highlight and discuss your work with like minded individuals, for people such as yourself.  I&#039;ve never considered myself a photographer, nor do the many friends I&#039;ve had for ages on flickr, yet we&#039;ve managed to enjoy flickr.  A lot of the pictures in the few groups I&#039;m in aren&#039;t even all that good, like in the Guinness group, yet we still get a good sense of community, albeit without the polish of the better photographers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel flickr has been at the place you fear it&#8217;s going to become.</p>
<p>For example I rarely see anything that interesting in the &#8220;Everyone&#8217;s Photos&#8221; section, mostly just snapshots, nothing of shutterbug quality.  It isn&#8217;t until I hit the Interestingness section that I see anything really amazing.  It also seems that pictures tend to rack up &#8220;Interestingness&#8221; by the photographers being in self-created and self-moderated groups that are known for high quality shots.</p>
<p>flickr is already a majority of pretty standard snapshot, party pics with a small minority of real quality pictures.  It just happens that the minority has carved itself a great niche with their groups and flickr has found a great way to help people discover those pictures with it&#8217;s interestingness feature so people like myself that can&#8217;t take an artist shot to save his life still get to admire other&#8217;s great work.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious how this move would in any way alienate the shutterbug crowd?  The groups would stay the same, the best would still float to the top and in fact I doubt that many Yahoo Pictures folks would even bother to tag their photos so unless you caught a brief glimpse of a newly uploaded photo in the &#8220;Everyone&#8217;s&#8221; section it would more than likely just disappear into the aether.<br />Perhaps a good lesson to take from this for Zoomr would be how to project the image that you&#8217;d prefer Zoomr to be more of a &#8220;photographer/shutterbug/photog&#8221; community rather than a place to store and sort your photos.  When I land on Zoomr the first thing I think of is, &#8220;cool, another place to dump my 10,000 random pictures of friends, family and places taken in bad light and with no framing skills.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t really understand that I shouldn&#8217;t be putting up those candid snapshots and that I should instead be striving for artist photographs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve alway felt flickr did a good job of being whatever you wanted to make of it, either a photo dumping and sharing ground for the likes of me or a great place to highlight and discuss your work with like minded individuals, for people such as yourself.  I&#8217;ve never considered myself a photographer, nor do the many friends I&#8217;ve had for ages on flickr, yet we&#8217;ve managed to enjoy flickr.  A lot of the pictures in the few groups I&#8217;m in aren&#8217;t even all that good, like in the Guinness group, yet we still get a good sense of community, albeit without the polish of the better photographers.</p>
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		<title>By: greywulf</title>
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		<dc:creator>greywulf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Feb 2007 16:49:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It sounds like a logical conclusion to me, and as we know, logical conclusions are rarely correct :)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That said, flickr&#039;s strength is it&#039;s community support among photographers. There&#039;s a load of people who wouldn&#039;t consider themselves photographers (or even own a camera), but have a camera phone. At the risk of being us-and-them-ist, they outnumber us shutterbugs by an order of magnitude.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To Yahoo&#039;s market minded mentality, it&#039;s worth alienating all of the photographers on the planet to get the much larger phonecam crowd. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course, that&#039;s all just logican conclusion. What do I know?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It sounds like a logical conclusion to me, and as we know, logical conclusions are rarely correct <img src='http://thomashawk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>That said, flickr&#8217;s strength is it&#8217;s community support among photographers. There&#8217;s a load of people who wouldn&#8217;t consider themselves photographers (or even own a camera), but have a camera phone. At the risk of being us-and-them-ist, they outnumber us shutterbugs by an order of magnitude.</p>
<p>To Yahoo&#8217;s market minded mentality, it&#8217;s worth alienating all of the photographers on the planet to get the much larger phonecam crowd. </p>
<p>Of course, that&#8217;s all just logican conclusion. What do I know?</p>
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