Comments on: What I Learned About Trying to Shoot and Process 1,000 Photos in Four Days at CES http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html Sat, 26 May 2012 02:31:46 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Joe Reifer http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10371 Joe Reifer Sun, 14 Jan 2007 11:05:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10371 Thomas - I use Bridge to immediately add copyright and contact information to my files via a one-click template. But using Bridge for adding keywords is a slow, cumbersome process and not recommended.<br /><br />Adobe stores raw file metadata in XMP sidecar files, which is smart - because your original, proprietary RAW files are not altered. If Flickr or Zooomr could read XMP sidecars, then your metadata would transfer over.<br /><br />Using cataloging software like iView Media Pro to add keywords and keep your files organized is a much faster and more and flexible workflow than Bridge. Using a DNG workflow with iView Media Pro is a safe way to make sure that your metadata "comes along for the ride," as Peter Krogh says. Aperture is a closed system that locks you in. Lightroom isn't finished yet. I wouldn't trust an online application to write metadata back into my files at this point -- the risk of file corruption is too great.<br /><br />Having a light, easy to organize and search cataloging tool like iView safely write your metadata into your derivative files only when necessary is the safest strategy for long term digital asset management.<br /><br />If you haven't read The DAM Book yet, give it a look. There's a wealth of great information on metadata, Bridge, and iView. I'm also covering some DNG and iView issues on <a href="http://www.joereifer.com/words/" rel="nofollow">my blog</a> this week.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Joe Reifer Thomas – I use Bridge to immediately add copyright and contact information to my files via a one-click template. But using Bridge for adding keywords is a slow, cumbersome process and not recommended.

Adobe stores raw file metadata in XMP sidecar files, which is smart – because your original, proprietary RAW files are not altered. If Flickr or Zooomr could read XMP sidecars, then your metadata would transfer over.

Using cataloging software like iView Media Pro to add keywords and keep your files organized is a much faster and more and flexible workflow than Bridge. Using a DNG workflow with iView Media Pro is a safe way to make sure that your metadata “comes along for the ride,” as Peter Krogh says. Aperture is a closed system that locks you in. Lightroom isn’t finished yet. I wouldn’t trust an online application to write metadata back into my files at this point — the risk of file corruption is too great.

Having a light, easy to organize and search cataloging tool like iView safely write your metadata into your derivative files only when necessary is the safest strategy for long term digital asset management.

If you haven’t read The DAM Book yet, give it a look. There’s a wealth of great information on metadata, Bridge, and iView. I’m also covering some DNG and iView issues on my blog this week.

Cheers,

Joe Reifer

]]> By: Shawn S http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10372 Shawn S Sat, 13 Jan 2007 12:52:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10372 Other people have already mentioned other products so I thought I'd chime in too. I've been using Adobe Lightroom Beta 4 to organize my RAW photo collection. Tags can be added to a photo either by dragging the tag onto a photo, or my preferred method, by typing into a text window that has auto completion.<br />I also wanted to say thank you for the photos that you did post. I passed around the URLs for many of them, and not just the CES Babe ones. Other people have already mentioned other products so I thought I’d chime in too. I’ve been using Adobe Lightroom Beta 4 to organize my RAW photo collection. Tags can be added to a photo either by dragging the tag onto a photo, or my preferred method, by typing into a text window that has auto completion.
I also wanted to say thank you for the photos that you did post. I passed around the URLs for many of them, and not just the CES Babe ones.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10373 Anonymous Sat, 13 Jan 2007 10:40:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10373 I'm sure you are already aware, but Aperture makes keywording and tagging photos, especially bulk files, very easy. After creating your keywords the first day it would have been a snap to just apply the common ones to all the other days photos. You can create projects very easily naming, comparing, sequencing, rating all quite quickly (all in RAW). And when Aperture's editing functions aren't enough (I run into that quite a bit myself) you can choose Photoshop (or whatever you prefer) as your external editor in the prefrences (even choosing PSD as the external imaging format) and open the photo in there from Aperture to do the tweaks that you need to do. When you're done you just save the file and it updates back in the Aperture library. You may want to give that a try if you haven't already. I’m sure you are already aware, but Aperture makes keywording and tagging photos, especially bulk files, very easy. After creating your keywords the first day it would have been a snap to just apply the common ones to all the other days photos. You can create projects very easily naming, comparing, sequencing, rating all quite quickly (all in RAW). And when Aperture’s editing functions aren’t enough (I run into that quite a bit myself) you can choose Photoshop (or whatever you prefer) as your external editor in the prefrences (even choosing PSD as the external imaging format) and open the photo in there from Aperture to do the tweaks that you need to do. When you’re done you just save the file and it updates back in the Aperture library. You may want to give that a try if you haven’t already.

]]> By: Jon http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10374 Jon Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:52:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10374 Great report and wrap up Thomas. I don't think there is anything wroong at all being a perfectionist :-) You have to feel something inside you that says that photo is good enough to go online.<br />Now where is the "special" AVN gallery?!;-) Great report and wrap up Thomas. I don’t think there is anything wroong at all being a perfectionist :-) You have to feel something inside you that says that photo is good enough to go online.
Now where is the “special” AVN gallery?!;-)

]]> By: Bill Erickson http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10375 Bill Erickson Sat, 13 Jan 2007 09:28:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10375 For the tags in Bridge, isn't there a keywords panel that you can use? I use the Adobe File Browser (a feature in Photoshop CS that later became Bridge in CS2) and using the keywords panel you can select a whole batch of photos and check which tags you want for them. <br /><br />I'm guessing you already know about this and the problem is RAW-specific. I stopped shooting in RAW because I keep the photos on my laptop and it was really going through my hard drive space fast, and just adding a lot of extra work (having to convert them all to jpgs after shooting).<br /><br />Anyway, you took some amazing shots, there's no way I could have taken 700 photos of your quality. For the tags in Bridge, isn’t there a keywords panel that you can use? I use the Adobe File Browser (a feature in Photoshop CS that later became Bridge in CS2) and using the keywords panel you can select a whole batch of photos and check which tags you want for them.

I’m guessing you already know about this and the problem is RAW-specific. I stopped shooting in RAW because I keep the photos on my laptop and it was really going through my hard drive space fast, and just adding a lot of extra work (having to convert them all to jpgs after shooting).

Anyway, you took some amazing shots, there’s no way I could have taken 700 photos of your quality.

]]> By: Brian Solis http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10376 Brian Solis Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:50:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10376 Thomas, it was good to finally meet you in person too. Thanks for capturing CES with such passion and vigilance. The pictures are simply amazing. And, the one you snapped of <a href="http://static.zooomr.com/images/623887_2030228689.jpg" rel="nofollow">Megan</a> and me at the Bloghaus is my personal favorite! Thomas, it was good to finally meet you in person too. Thanks for capturing CES with such passion and vigilance. The pictures are simply amazing. And, the one you snapped of Megan and me at the Bloghaus is my personal favorite!

]]> By: LeggNet http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10377 LeggNet Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:41:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10377 Welcome back, Thomas.<br /><br />Thanks for the insight. I felt going in that the 1,000 photo goal was a reach, but I thought that if anyone could do it, it would be you. I imagine that taking the shots wasn't the hard part, but rather the post and uploading. You are definitely NOT one to just dump your shots onto the server.<br /><br />Nice effort... now get some rest :)<br /><br /><a href="http://leggnet.com" rel="nofollow">Rich</a> Welcome back, Thomas.

Thanks for the insight. I felt going in that the 1,000 photo goal was a reach, but I thought that if anyone could do it, it would be you. I imagine that taking the shots wasn’t the hard part, but rather the post and uploading. You are definitely NOT one to just dump your shots onto the server.

Nice effort… now get some rest :)

Rich

]]> By: Dave Zatz http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10378 Dave Zatz Sat, 13 Jan 2007 07:01:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10378 Good to finally meet you TH! Looking forward to spending more time with you in SF in a few months to collect on our bet when the Apple starts offering HD downloads for the iDongle. ;) Good to finally meet you TH! Looking forward to spending more time with you in SF in a few months to collect on our bet when the Apple starts offering HD downloads for the iDongle. ;)

]]> By: Andrew Schmitt http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10379 Andrew Schmitt Sat, 13 Jan 2007 06:39:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10379 Fantastic to meet you as well, and an honor to have you take my picture. Fantastic to meet you as well, and an honor to have you take my picture.

]]> By: Jeremiah Owyang http://thomashawk.com/2007/01/what-i-learned-about-trying-to-shoot.html/comment-page-1#comment-10380 Jeremiah Owyang Sat, 13 Jan 2007 05:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1482#comment-10380 Right on Thomas, you did a fantastic job, I'm impressed.<br /><br />ya know many of us are just happy to get 10 pictures up with your quality, let alone 1000. Right on Thomas, you did a fantastic job, I’m impressed.

ya know many of us are just happy to get 10 pictures up with your quality, let alone 1000.

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