Comments on: Should Yahoo Own Social Search and Rank in a Web 2.0 World? http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:09:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Ethiziche http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-28072 Ethiziche Sat, 07 Mar 2009 21:24:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-28072 продам Форд-Фокус 2008 года за 200 тр. торг возможет. срочно!!! +7 960 200 9209 продам Форд-Фокус 2008 года за 200 тр. торг возможет. срочно!!!
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]]> By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11623 Anonymous Fri, 03 Nov 2006 15:28:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11623 Calm down ... They're not patents, they're patent applications. If they issue as they are currently claimed (and that's a big if), you won't have to worry about them for 2 or 3 more years. <br /><br />In the meantime, would you like to know what the patent office thinks about these applications? You can watch the prosecution of the patents online. Here's a bookmark to the prosecution history for one of them: <br /><br />http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/<br />_s.7_0_A/7_0_CH/.cmd/ad/.ar/sa.getBib/<br />.ps/N/.c/6_0_69/.ce/7_0_3AB/.p/5_0_341/<br />.d/1?selectedTab=ifwtab&isSubmitted;=<br />isSubmitted&dosnum;=11350981#7_0_3AB <br /><br />Think you got some prior art? Then send it to the patent office. You have to send it within 2 months of the application publishing, but the office is considering changing that time limit to 6 months. See:<br /><br />http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/<br />documents/1100_1134_01.htm <br /><br />Don't just complain about the system, try to make it better. It's part of the reason why the U.S. is where it is today technologically, and the way things are going with outsourcing, it may be our only hope for the future. <br /><br />Cheers. Calm down … They’re not patents, they’re patent applications. If they issue as they are currently claimed (and that’s a big if), you won’t have to worry about them for 2 or 3 more years.

In the meantime, would you like to know what the patent office thinks about these applications? You can watch the prosecution of the patents online. Here’s a bookmark to the prosecution history for one of them:

http://portal.uspto.gov/external/portal/!ut/p/
_s.7_0_A/7_0_CH/.cmd/ad/.ar/sa.getBib/
.ps/N/.c/6_0_69/.ce/7_0_3AB/.p/5_0_341/
.d/1?selectedTab=ifwtab&isSubmitted;=
isSubmitted&dosnum;=11350981#7_0_3AB

Think you got some prior art? Then send it to the patent office. You have to send it within 2 months of the application publishing, but the office is considering changing that time limit to 6 months. See:

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/pac/mpep/
documents/1100_1134_01.htm

Don’t just complain about the system, try to make it better. It’s part of the reason why the U.S. is where it is today technologically, and the way things are going with outsourcing, it may be our only hope for the future.

Cheers.

]]> By: Mark Probst http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11624 Mark Probst Mon, 30 Oct 2006 13:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11624 Thomas, of course it sucks! It sucks big time! My point is just that this is not an isolated incident but standard business practice in the US software industry and the lies with the government and the Patent Office. If you ask me, I'd abolish software patents this instant.<br /><br />And I don't give a damn whether it was Yahoo or Flickr. It's not like I'm a Flickr fanboy - I'm pretty pissed off by some of the stuff they do (NIPSA'ing people, shutting down accounts without warning or explanation, ...). Right now they're the best photo sharing site for me. If/when that changes, I'll switch. Thomas, of course it sucks! It sucks big time! My point is just that this is not an isolated incident but standard business practice in the US software industry and the lies with the government and the Patent Office. If you ask me, I’d abolish software patents this instant.

And I don’t give a damn whether it was Yahoo or Flickr. It’s not like I’m a Flickr fanboy – I’m pretty pissed off by some of the stuff they do (NIPSA’ing people, shutting down accounts without warning or explanation, …). Right now they’re the best photo sharing site for me. If/when that changes, I’ll switch.

]]> By: Jeremiah http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11625 Jeremiah Sun, 29 Oct 2006 12:35:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11625 Thomas - I'm not sure where your complaint lies - is it Yahoo's overly broad patent claim?<br /><br />Is it the patent system itself? Is Zooomr going to patent anything?<br /><br />Lastly, IANAL, however, it's my understanding you can't patent a concept, only a methodology. In other words, you can patent a specific design of telescope, but not astronomy. Thomas – I’m not sure where your complaint lies – is it Yahoo’s overly broad patent claim?

Is it the patent system itself? Is Zooomr going to patent anything?

Lastly, IANAL, however, it’s my understanding you can’t patent a concept, only a methodology. In other words, you can patent a specific design of telescope, but not astronomy.

]]> By: Thomas Hawk http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11626 Thomas Hawk Sat, 28 Oct 2006 20:36:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11626 Thomas, I have no problem with them patenting their specific magic donkey formula/algorithm. But I read this far more broadly, that for other companies to attempt to use their own user generated activity based on their own algorithms that this would violate their patent and idea of ranking media by user activity. <br /><br />If someone wants to clarify from Yahoo that this is all this is that would be great. Alternatively if someone with a legal background wants to offer their input that would also be welcome. Thomas, I have no problem with them patenting their specific magic donkey formula/algorithm. But I read this far more broadly, that for other companies to attempt to use their own user generated activity based on their own algorithms that this would violate their patent and idea of ranking media by user activity.

If someone wants to clarify from Yahoo that this is all this is that would be great. Alternatively if someone with a legal background wants to offer their input that would also be welcome.

]]> By: Mike D http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11627 Mike D Sat, 28 Oct 2006 18:07:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11627 This reminds me of IBM recently going after Amazon for violating five incredibly broad patents related to doing business over the internet.<br /><a href="http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20481.wss" rel="nofollow">http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20481.wss</a> This reminds me of IBM recently going after Amazon for violating five incredibly broad patents related to doing business over the internet.
http://www-03.ibm.com/press/us/en/pressrelease/20481.wss

]]> By: Thomas http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11628 Thomas Sat, 28 Oct 2006 10:14:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11628 It seems to me that they want to patent their algorythm, not the concept, which they should be more than withing their rights to do, especially with other services around blatently knocking off flickr It seems to me that they want to patent their algorythm, not the concept, which they should be more than withing their rights to do, especially with other services around blatently knocking off flickr

]]> By: Thomas Hawk http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11629 Thomas Hawk Sat, 28 Oct 2006 08:25:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11629 Mark while I certainly blame the government for giving Yahoo a patent wide enough to drive a truck through -- I'm surprised they just didn't go for patenting the showing of digital photographs on the internet -- I still think it sucks that according to this patent no one else can use user generated activity to highlight content in their community. <br /><br />So it will be either be nice to Yahoo and make sure they like you or risk having your community shut down because you decide to allow your users to direct what gets highlighted and promoted on your site.<br /><br />I'm not buying by the way that this is Yahoo, not Flickr. It was the Flickr people's name on the patent.<br /><br /><i>It's not Flickr!....it's Yahoo.</i><br /><br />Jeremiah, it's becoming increasingly clear that the two are very much one in the same.<br /><br />No one company should "own" user generated content and the ability for non Yahoo sites to sort their users content however they would like.<br /><br />These patents fly in the face of what Web 2.0 ought to be about which is openess in community building -- not proprietary ownership of communities. Mark while I certainly blame the government for giving Yahoo a patent wide enough to drive a truck through — I’m surprised they just didn’t go for patenting the showing of digital photographs on the internet — I still think it sucks that according to this patent no one else can use user generated activity to highlight content in their community.

So it will be either be nice to Yahoo and make sure they like you or risk having your community shut down because you decide to allow your users to direct what gets highlighted and promoted on your site.

I’m not buying by the way that this is Yahoo, not Flickr. It was the Flickr people’s name on the patent.

It’s not Flickr!….it’s Yahoo.

Jeremiah, it’s becoming increasingly clear that the two are very much one in the same.

No one company should “own” user generated content and the ability for non Yahoo sites to sort their users content however they would like.

These patents fly in the face of what Web 2.0 ought to be about which is openess in community building — not proprietary ownership of communities.

]]> By: Mark Probst http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11630 Mark Probst Sat, 28 Oct 2006 05:44:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11630 Yahoo is forced to patent stuff like that. Why? Because everybody else is doing it, too! Don't blame Yahoo or Flickr - blame the government for allowing software patents and blame the Patent Office for again and again granting trivial patents.<br /><br />My prediction: If/When Zooomr gets big, it'll patent trivial stuff, too. Yahoo is forced to patent stuff like that. Why? Because everybody else is doing it, too! Don’t blame Yahoo or Flickr – blame the government for allowing software patents and blame the Patent Office for again and again granting trivial patents.

My prediction: If/When Zooomr gets big, it’ll patent trivial stuff, too.

]]> By: Jeremiah http://thomashawk.com/2006/10/should-yahoo-own-social-search-and.html/comment-page-1#comment-11631 Jeremiah Fri, 27 Oct 2006 21:27:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1693#comment-11631 I should qualify the flickr complaint - it's only *new* users that have to get a Yahoo buffet to have a flickr membership. I should qualify the flickr complaint – it’s only *new* users that have to get a Yahoo buffet to have a flickr membership.

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