Comments on: A Thank You Note From Paul Kopeikin, Owner of Paul Kopeikin Gallery Where Jill Greenberg’s Current Show is Being Held http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html Fri, 10 Feb 2012 02:09:43 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13748 Anonymous Wed, 13 Jun 2007 13:52:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13748 Just think the abuse issue is true - not because the children are made to cry, but because they are naked and crying.... Just think the abuse issue is true – not because the children are made to cry, but because they are naked and crying….

]]> By: Nic porter http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13749 Nic porter Thu, 08 Mar 2007 16:31:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13749 haha paul i love your come back, i for one am a massive fan of jill greenberg and to be honest i love the photos she did of the children...and why you negative and naive lot might ask?<br /><br />because they are technically awesome and the emotion is so over powering my girlfriend was nearly crying purely because of the emotion, they cry so what all children cry, <br /><br />tell me tom your toddler is playing with his or her favourite toys...you take them away and tell them to gete to bed...what will they do? CRY!!! causing emotion distress, anger, etc etc.<br /><br />hey paul if i ever had the amount of money to pay for a jill greenberg print id sure as hell come to you to buy after those comments to tom.<br /><br />Nic Porter<br />(naap_rap@hotmail.com) haha paul i love your come back, i for one am a massive fan of jill greenberg and to be honest i love the photos she did of the children…and why you negative and naive lot might ask?

because they are technically awesome and the emotion is so over powering my girlfriend was nearly crying purely because of the emotion, they cry so what all children cry,

tell me tom your toddler is playing with his or her favourite toys…you take them away and tell them to gete to bed…what will they do? CRY!!! causing emotion distress, anger, etc etc.

hey paul if i ever had the amount of money to pay for a jill greenberg print id sure as hell come to you to buy after those comments to tom.

Nic Porter
(naap_rap@hotmail.com)

]]> By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13750 Anonymous Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13750 Your photos are below amateur. Keep thumpin your chest and looking dumb, tough guy. The real talents are making art while you -blog- about it. Your an internet blog photographer, know your roll and go write a photoshop tut on how to "properly" edit a RAW capture. Mr. Kopeikin should have pointed out that the untalented wanabe(read "flikr photographers and tech/photoshop gurus and their ilk) should not comment on the big boys (read "real photographers"). You look like a chawawa barking at a pit bull. Find "real" credibility with your own work, then your cretiques will have more strength. As it is now, from what I can gather your a tech geeks photographer. Popular with teenagers and other wanabe photogs. If you want your challenges the arts community to be taken seriously produce photo work that would lend credence to your opinions. As it stands you have no observed skills to give your comments merrit. Your photos are below amateur. Keep thumpin your chest and looking dumb, tough guy. The real talents are making art while you -blog- about it. Your an internet blog photographer, know your roll and go write a photoshop tut on how to “properly” edit a RAW capture. Mr. Kopeikin should have pointed out that the untalented wanabe(read “flikr photographers and tech/photoshop gurus and their ilk) should not comment on the big boys (read “real photographers”). You look like a chawawa barking at a pit bull. Find “real” credibility with your own work, then your cretiques will have more strength. As it is now, from what I can gather your a tech geeks photographer. Popular with teenagers and other wanabe photogs. If you want your challenges the arts community to be taken seriously produce photo work that would lend credence to your opinions. As it stands you have no observed skills to give your comments merrit.

]]> By: Teshuva http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13751 Teshuva Mon, 04 Dec 2006 14:55:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13751 What a paradox Jill Greenberg's art has inspired: on one hand there is the beautiful quality of the photos--amazingly clear to the point of needing to look at something less defined. On the other hand, the actual subject has drummed up conversation and news and passion. Believe it or not, I think her photos have served a definite purpose. Regardless if we like them or not--it has us thinking and questioning her "art" or perhaps in defense of art. Having been raised in a generation of truly lazy people (Generation X) who are now entering their 30's and realizing (or not) that we were the guinea pigs of MTV and redefining celebrity, it's so fuck*ng refreshing to see art take hold again--even on a small scale. We X'ers had no Warhol or Khalo. Whereas we tried to make our mark with graffiti art, alas, we let it slip away into obscurity. My point, folks, is that although this woman produced a series of photos that has raised eyebrows--take a moment to consider how empty museums would be if someone had actually pulled Van Gogh off the hallucinogens he was on. Sure, he would still have an ear but would we still find him fascinating? I mean, it takes cajones to cut your ear off and then glorify the self-mutilation on canvas. Not to mention scholars call that kind of twisted action "art". You gotta ask yourself who the "abuser" is--The artists or the enablers? Or maybe that's the point--as long as we are asking questions, art is serving its purpose. What a paradox Jill Greenberg’s art has inspired: on one hand there is the beautiful quality of the photos–amazingly clear to the point of needing to look at something less defined. On the other hand, the actual subject has drummed up conversation and news and passion. Believe it or not, I think her photos have served a definite purpose. Regardless if we like them or not–it has us thinking and questioning her “art” or perhaps in defense of art. Having been raised in a generation of truly lazy people (Generation X) who are now entering their 30′s and realizing (or not) that we were the guinea pigs of MTV and redefining celebrity, it’s so fuck*ng refreshing to see art take hold again–even on a small scale. We X’ers had no Warhol or Khalo. Whereas we tried to make our mark with graffiti art, alas, we let it slip away into obscurity. My point, folks, is that although this woman produced a series of photos that has raised eyebrows–take a moment to consider how empty museums would be if someone had actually pulled Van Gogh off the hallucinogens he was on. Sure, he would still have an ear but would we still find him fascinating? I mean, it takes cajones to cut your ear off and then glorify the self-mutilation on canvas. Not to mention scholars call that kind of twisted action “art”. You gotta ask yourself who the “abuser” is–The artists or the enablers? Or maybe that’s the point–as long as we are asking questions, art is serving its purpose.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13752 Anonymous Mon, 27 Nov 2006 02:12:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13752 i've had the misfortune of knowing jill greenberg and i can tell you honestly that her brain is a cluster fuck of confusion between right and wrong. she has zero self awareness. it's sad because she's a miserable person and she will never change. i’ve had the misfortune of knowing jill greenberg and i can tell you honestly that her brain is a cluster fuck of confusion between right and wrong. she has zero self awareness. it’s sad because she’s a miserable person and she will never change.

]]> By: Anonymous http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13753 Anonymous Sun, 01 Oct 2006 21:05:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13753 Which is more sickening- the "artist" who uses a child's tears to earn money, or the person who buys that crying child's picture?<br /><br />With so many crying children in the world, crying from actual tragedy, did she need to create more tears? Or is it more convenient to photograph children crying according to the photographer's whims and schedule at a home studio?<br /><br />Perhaps Mr. Hawk is gaining attention from this controversary as well- but does that make one side "right" and the other "wrong"? Which is more sickening- the “artist” who uses a child’s tears to earn money, or the person who buys that crying child’s picture?

With so many crying children in the world, crying from actual tragedy, did she need to create more tears? Or is it more convenient to photograph children crying according to the photographer’s whims and schedule at a home studio?

Perhaps Mr. Hawk is gaining attention from this controversary as well- but does that make one side “right” and the other “wrong”?

]]> By: Shella http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13754 Shella Mon, 11 Sep 2006 13:04:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13754 Oh shush, seriously. If you are going to go after this woman, then you need to go after EVERY movie producer, and TV producer, Every writer for tv and movies, and commercials too while we're at it. THEY make children cry for their purposes. To create EFFECT. Parents have CONSENTED to it. Who are YOU to decide that it's child abuse? Have you ever been abused? Do you even know what the heck you're talking about? These pictures are NOT pornography. They are really quite beautiful and honest. Children are 100x more honest in what they feel and what they say than any adult presently on Earth. Why do pictures always have to be of children smiling? My uncle is a photographer, and he took pictures of me crying when I was a baby up to a young child. They are some of my favorite pictures because I was feeling what I was feeling, and EVERYONE should be allowed that RIGHT. In this time and age we are all taught to suck it up and put on a happy face. Like we're supposed to pretend that all the crap that is happening in the world isn't really there. Well guess what?! It IS. And it's only going to get worse. And the sooner we accept that and learn to be real, the better. God gave us emotions and who are we to deny that? If she was saying horrible things to make these kids cry. THAT would be abuse. If she was hitting them, or hurting them, then THAT would be abuse. But to say that taking away a lollipop, WHILE their mothers are standing right there is abuse? Is rediculous. I think it's great that you are looking out for kids but you have to look at helping kids who are TRULY abused. I think you chose this just to get yourself some attention. And all you are doing is gathering together on the internet, all the angry misguided people of the world. I pray that you find a real cause. Oh shush, seriously. If you are going to go after this woman, then you need to go after EVERY movie producer, and TV producer, Every writer for tv and movies, and commercials too while we’re at it. THEY make children cry for their purposes. To create EFFECT. Parents have CONSENTED to it. Who are YOU to decide that it’s child abuse? Have you ever been abused? Do you even know what the heck you’re talking about? These pictures are NOT pornography. They are really quite beautiful and honest. Children are 100x more honest in what they feel and what they say than any adult presently on Earth. Why do pictures always have to be of children smiling? My uncle is a photographer, and he took pictures of me crying when I was a baby up to a young child. They are some of my favorite pictures because I was feeling what I was feeling, and EVERYONE should be allowed that RIGHT. In this time and age we are all taught to suck it up and put on a happy face. Like we’re supposed to pretend that all the crap that is happening in the world isn’t really there. Well guess what?! It IS. And it’s only going to get worse. And the sooner we accept that and learn to be real, the better. God gave us emotions and who are we to deny that? If she was saying horrible things to make these kids cry. THAT would be abuse. If she was hitting them, or hurting them, then THAT would be abuse. But to say that taking away a lollipop, WHILE their mothers are standing right there is abuse? Is rediculous. I think it’s great that you are looking out for kids but you have to look at helping kids who are TRULY abused. I think you chose this just to get yourself some attention. And all you are doing is gathering together on the internet, all the angry misguided people of the world. I pray that you find a real cause.

]]> By: Anne http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13755 Anne Mon, 28 Aug 2006 13:57:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13755 <i> Calling these pictures child abuse is offensive to people who have been real victims of child abuse, not paid actors.</i><br /><br />i heartily agree Calling these pictures child abuse is offensive to people who have been real victims of child abuse, not paid actors.

i heartily agree

]]> By: Doug Keyes http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13756 Doug Keyes Thu, 03 Aug 2006 01:44:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13756 Yes, the Corel add in the upper right corner of this very site is a fitting comment on this whole farce. Where is the rage people? It's great that art can elicit a response in this media blitz we are living in. As a parent of young children I found the images by Ms. Greenberg amusing. They are obviously over the top, hyperreal images. So what if some of the children had to be coaxed (barely) into crying? Believe me, it takes very little at that age and it's no child abuse. The only abuse I see is the poor idea by Ms. Greenburg to connect these to some political statement. The work fails in that respect. The images are much more powerful as raw emotion on display. I guess all you child abuse fanatics will be shutting down the stock photo houses, movie theatres, daycares, etc. etc. Kids cry and whine all the time, looks like some of the adults on this blog do as well. Yes, the Corel add in the upper right corner of this very site is a fitting comment on this whole farce. Where is the rage people? It’s great that art can elicit a response in this media blitz we are living in. As a parent of young children I found the images by Ms. Greenberg amusing. They are obviously over the top, hyperreal images. So what if some of the children had to be coaxed (barely) into crying? Believe me, it takes very little at that age and it’s no child abuse. The only abuse I see is the poor idea by Ms. Greenburg to connect these to some political statement. The work fails in that respect. The images are much more powerful as raw emotion on display. I guess all you child abuse fanatics will be shutting down the stock photo houses, movie theatres, daycares, etc. etc. Kids cry and whine all the time, looks like some of the adults on this blog do as well.

]]> By: dorsey http://thomashawk.com/2006/07/thank-you-note-from-paul-kopeikin.html/comment-page-1#comment-13757 dorsey Tue, 01 Aug 2006 11:38:00 +0000 http://clients.emmense.com/thomashawk/?p=1990#comment-13757 Sorry, it was Corel PaintShop Pro X, not photoshop. Apologies to Adobe labs. Sorry, it was Corel PaintShop Pro X, not photoshop. Apologies to Adobe labs.

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