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		<title>By: deramo</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2006/04/digg-controversy-over-censorship-is.html/comment-page-1#comment-15070</link>
		<dc:creator>deramo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 07:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in a nutshell, here is why digg sux and what you can do about it now: http://allsux.com/2007/04/02/happy-tree-people/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in a nutshell, here is why digg sux and what you can do about it now: <a href="http://allsux.com/2007/04/02/happy-tree-people/" rel="nofollow">http://allsux.com/2007/04/02/happy-tree-people/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Sep 2006 13:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2006/04/digg-controversy-over-censorship-is.html/comment-page-1#comment-15074</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 May 2006 19:31:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@bender: Why do those &quot;silly apple stories&quot; make it to the home page?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Simple.  There are a lot of Apple fans.  People are interested in their products, so the stories about them get dugg and promoted to the home page.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Honestly people.  It&#039;s a website.  Who in fucks sake cares what is going on?  Even if you conspiracy theories turn out to be true, what difference does it make?  Is it right for them to censor.  Of course not.  Do I think they do?  No.  Would I stop visiting digg if there was proof that they did censor?  No.  That is because they have interesting tech stories to read about every single day, and as long as they keep me entertained, I could give a crap less what is posted there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anyone here thinks that the supposed &quot;corruption of digg&quot; is a big deal, you really need to get a life.  Look at CNN, MSN, Yahoo, etc.  They all are biased in one way or another.  Maybe you should be worried about the important news outlets being corrupted, instead of one big fanboy site where tech news is found.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bottom line:  If you think digg is corrupted and that bothers you, stop visiting the page!  Go to slashdot if that makes you happy, or one of the millions of tech blogs online.  Digg is a great tech news site, but it is not the end-all news site for everything.  There are plenty of other ways to get the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@bender: Why do those &#8220;silly apple stories&#8221; make it to the home page?</p>
<p>Simple.  There are a lot of Apple fans.  People are interested in their products, so the stories about them get dugg and promoted to the home page.</p>
<p>Honestly people.  It&#8217;s a website.  Who in fucks sake cares what is going on?  Even if you conspiracy theories turn out to be true, what difference does it make?  Is it right for them to censor.  Of course not.  Do I think they do?  No.  Would I stop visiting digg if there was proof that they did censor?  No.  That is because they have interesting tech stories to read about every single day, and as long as they keep me entertained, I could give a crap less what is posted there.</p>
<p>If anyone here thinks that the supposed &#8220;corruption of digg&#8221; is a big deal, you really need to get a life.  Look at CNN, MSN, Yahoo, etc.  They all are biased in one way or another.  Maybe you should be worried about the important news outlets being corrupted, instead of one big fanboy site where tech news is found.</p>
<p>Bottom line:  If you think digg is corrupted and that bothers you, stop visiting the page!  Go to slashdot if that makes you happy, or one of the millions of tech blogs online.  Digg is a great tech news site, but it is not the end-all news site for everything.  There are plenty of other ways to get the news.</p>
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		<title>By: Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Apr 2006 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Last Anonymous&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yes, Digg seems mainly like an Apple PR department most of the times and you can&#039;t help to wonder why all those silly Apple news always make it to the front page.</description>
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<p>Yes, Digg seems mainly like an Apple PR department most of the times and you can&#8217;t help to wonder why all those silly Apple news always make it to the front page.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, and most other people are totally missing the point. To me, and most others I have spoken to about this issue, its not about censorship, or conspiracies or anything like that. The issue here is, as I have said on various sites covering this, it integrity. Thats all it boils down to. Kevin Rose, the admins, and users of the site have interests they must uphold. Now, I expect users to uses this as a means to promote thier products or websites or propaganda or whatever. But its naive of people to believe that Kevin Rose and the people directly related to Digg arent articially promoting stories to the front page. Why? Well, you would be blind and frankly a moron not to see why Digg would do this. Now, I understand the people at Digg are out to make money, thats fine. But come clean about whats REALLY going on behind the scenes, and not a lame PR driven response that he made on him blog....I think thats the bottom line here, is intergrity......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, and most other people are totally missing the point. To me, and most others I have spoken to about this issue, its not about censorship, or conspiracies or anything like that. The issue here is, as I have said on various sites covering this, it integrity. Thats all it boils down to. Kevin Rose, the admins, and users of the site have interests they must uphold. Now, I expect users to uses this as a means to promote thier products or websites or propaganda or whatever. But its naive of people to believe that Kevin Rose and the people directly related to Digg arent articially promoting stories to the front page. Why? Well, you would be blind and frankly a moron not to see why Digg would do this. Now, I understand the people at Digg are out to make money, thats fine. But come clean about whats REALLY going on behind the scenes, and not a lame PR driven response that he made on him blog&#8230;.I think thats the bottom line here, is intergrity&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 17:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas, and most other people are totally missing the point. To me, and most others I have spoken to about this issue, its not about censorship, or conspiracies or anything like that. The issue here is, as I have said on various sites covering this, it integrity. Thats all it boils down to. Kevin Rose, the admins, and users of the site have interests they must uphold. Now, I expect users to uses this as a means to promote thier products or websites or propaganda or whatever. But its naive of people to believe that Kevin Rose and the people directly related to Digg arent articially promoting stories to the front page. Why? Well, you would be blind and frankly a moron not to see why Digg would do this. Now, I understand the people at Digg are out to make money, thats fine. But come clean about whats REALLY going on behind the scenes, and not a lame PR driven response that he made on him blog....I think thats the bottom line here, is intergrity......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas, and most other people are totally missing the point. To me, and most others I have spoken to about this issue, its not about censorship, or conspiracies or anything like that. The issue here is, as I have said on various sites covering this, it integrity. Thats all it boils down to. Kevin Rose, the admins, and users of the site have interests they must uphold. Now, I expect users to uses this as a means to promote thier products or websites or propaganda or whatever. But its naive of people to believe that Kevin Rose and the people directly related to Digg arent articially promoting stories to the front page. Why? Well, you would be blind and frankly a moron not to see why Digg would do this. Now, I understand the people at Digg are out to make money, thats fine. But come clean about whats REALLY going on behind the scenes, and not a lame PR driven response that he made on him blog&#8230;.I think thats the bottom line here, is intergrity&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Clavier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff Clavier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 14:22:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not a big user of digg but the notion that stories critiquing Digg all get pulled, even if they are dugg tens, hundreds or thousands of times feels very wrong to me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The best way to stop these types of allegation is to address them upfront, and that story should have made the first page as the number of diggs allowed it to. This might demonstrate that it should be possible to &quot;un-pull&quot; a story that is alledgedly dug a large number of times.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have every reason to believe that Kevin and Jay are not gaming the system, but they should do everything to avoid even a remote appearance that they are/might be. And to that note, I don&#039;t find Kevin&#039;s response very convincing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But as you say, it&#039;s new and we are all learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not a big user of digg but the notion that stories critiquing Digg all get pulled, even if they are dugg tens, hundreds or thousands of times feels very wrong to me.</p>
<p>The best way to stop these types of allegation is to address them upfront, and that story should have made the first page as the number of diggs allowed it to. This might demonstrate that it should be possible to &#8220;un-pull&#8221; a story that is alledgedly dug a large number of times.</p>
<p>I have every reason to believe that Kevin and Jay are not gaming the system, but they should do everything to avoid even a remote appearance that they are/might be. And to that note, I don&#8217;t find Kevin&#8217;s response very convincing.</p>
<p>But as you say, it&#8217;s new and we are all learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thomas I really value your opinion. I&#039;m a big fan of your pictures and site. You&#039;re the reason I found out about Diggs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The debate is not about Kevin creating fake accounts to get stories to the front but more about the system being &quot;watched&quot; and rigged by some &quot;moderators.&quot; Stories about Apple with less than 50 digs make it to the front page so often that I started to wonder why others with more than 100 never made it. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We agree that the system needs some checking because if Digg is truely &quot;user&quot; controlled we can&#039;t have shady stuff like that happening.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Another post that also got me was this: http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/26/digg-is-a-bully/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Keep the good work coming :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thomas I really value your opinion. I&#8217;m a big fan of your pictures and site. You&#8217;re the reason I found out about Diggs.</p>
<p>The debate is not about Kevin creating fake accounts to get stories to the front but more about the system being &#8220;watched&#8221; and rigged by some &#8220;moderators.&#8221; Stories about Apple with less than 50 digs make it to the front page so often that I started to wonder why others with more than 100 never made it. </p>
<p>We agree that the system needs some checking because if Digg is truely &#8220;user&#8221; controlled we can&#8217;t have shady stuff like that happening.</p>
<p>Another post that also got me was this: <a href="http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/26/digg-is-a-bully/" rel="nofollow">http://www.aviransplace.com/index.php/archives/2006/03/26/digg-is-a-bully/</a></p>
<p>Keep the good work coming <img src='http://thomashawk.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Thomas Hawk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomas Hawk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bender, I seriously don&#039;t think anything fishy is going on here.  Look, users mod stories and they get pulled.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In terms of promoting stories the points already been made that it would be stupid for Kevin to secretly create fake accounts and digg stories when he could openly digg stories and likely have the same effect.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Is there censorship and do people get banned.  Probably for violating the terms of service.  If someone is cheating then they probably get bounced.  You or I don&#039;t know who was cheating and who wasn&#039;t or how they were cheating or how they were not.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And a certain amount of this needs to be secret otherwise as was mentioned people will game the system.  If someone games the system enough I&#039;m sure they&#039;ll be banned.  But for them to then cry censorship doesn&#039;t make sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And even if an occasional story had a problem for whatever reason 98% of digg still works great.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not convinced by the evidence and I don&#039;t really see what&#039;s in it for digg to try and alter stories secretly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Racketboy, it&#039;s your word against theres.  I&#039;d like to see those emails that you say you have.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Matt, I&#039;m not ignorning anything.  Kevin has a lot of people that follow his digg history.  I follow his digg history.  I digg stories by seeing what my friends digg all the time.  Kevin&#039;s one of the most popular people on digg.  Of course his friends are going to digg the stories he does.  Does a popular member on digg have more control over what gets promoted.  Sure.  I don&#039;t necessarily have a problem with this.  A lot of times the more popular diggers are popular for a reason and they have good taste in news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bender, I seriously don&#8217;t think anything fishy is going on here.  Look, users mod stories and they get pulled.  </p>
<p>In terms of promoting stories the points already been made that it would be stupid for Kevin to secretly create fake accounts and digg stories when he could openly digg stories and likely have the same effect.</p>
<p>Is there censorship and do people get banned.  Probably for violating the terms of service.  If someone is cheating then they probably get bounced.  You or I don&#8217;t know who was cheating and who wasn&#8217;t or how they were cheating or how they were not.</p>
<p>And a certain amount of this needs to be secret otherwise as was mentioned people will game the system.  If someone games the system enough I&#8217;m sure they&#8217;ll be banned.  But for them to then cry censorship doesn&#8217;t make sense.</p>
<p>And even if an occasional story had a problem for whatever reason 98% of digg still works great.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not convinced by the evidence and I don&#8217;t really see what&#8217;s in it for digg to try and alter stories secretly.</p>
<p>Racketboy, it&#8217;s your word against theres.  I&#8217;d like to see those emails that you say you have.  </p>
<p>Matt, I&#8217;m not ignorning anything.  Kevin has a lot of people that follow his digg history.  I follow his digg history.  I digg stories by seeing what my friends digg all the time.  Kevin&#8217;s one of the most popular people on digg.  Of course his friends are going to digg the stories he does.  Does a popular member on digg have more control over what gets promoted.  Sure.  I don&#8217;t necessarily have a problem with this.  A lot of times the more popular diggers are popular for a reason and they have good taste in news.</p>
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		<title>By: Bender</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bender</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Apr 2006 14:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offense either but there is something fishy going on there and deep down you know it. I&#039;ve read your post there and even you were wondering why posted links would go away withh no reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offense either but there is something fishy going on there and deep down you know it. I&#8217;ve read your post there and even you were wondering why posted links would go away withh no reason.</p>
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