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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18394</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Dec 2005 18:04:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, the owners name is not Ed Lopez. His name is Chaim Pikarski. I know it because I worked for him in the past. His tactics do not surprise me, and all he is trying to do is hide his true identity through the alias of Ed Lopez. Actually, I would be very surprised if you ever spoke to the owner. It was most likely just an employee that provided you a fictitious name and is probably just a manager.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, the owners name is not Ed Lopez. His name is Chaim Pikarski. I know it because I worked for him in the past. His tactics do not surprise me, and all he is trying to do is hide his true identity through the alias of Ed Lopez. Actually, I would be very surprised if you ever spoke to the owner. It was most likely just an employee that provided you a fictitious name and is probably just a manager.</p>
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		<title>By: Rain Bo</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18395</link>
		<dc:creator>Rain Bo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Dec 2005 00:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ed Lopez is apparently the owner of priceritephoto. The whois info on the site shows that the contact person is &quot;Eduardo Lopez&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ed Lopez is apparently the owner of priceritephoto. The whois info on the site shows that the contact person is &#8220;Eduardo Lopez&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave!</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18396</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:41:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is assuming (1) this guy is actually the owner (2) the site was actually taken off-line by DOS attacks.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given your (and countless others&#039;) experiences with them, I find it at least &lt;i&gt;plausible&lt;/i&gt; that they took down the site on their own, so they could blame it on &quot;hackers&quot; (such a convenient scape goat) and are already up and running, with the same deceitful tactics under a different domain name.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Maybe I&#039;m just too cynical, but let&#039;s not be *so* hasty to blame our own community when this &quot;company&quot; doesn&#039;t exactly have the best track record for truthfulness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is assuming (1) this guy is actually the owner (2) the site was actually taken off-line by DOS attacks.</p>
<p>Given your (and countless others&#8217;) experiences with them, I find it at least <i>plausible</i> that they took down the site on their own, so they could blame it on &#8220;hackers&#8221; (such a convenient scape goat) and are already up and running, with the same deceitful tactics under a different domain name.</p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m just too cynical, but let&#8217;s not be *so* hasty to blame our own community when this &#8220;company&#8221; doesn&#8217;t exactly have the best track record for truthfulness.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18397</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 07:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not sure the legal channels are going to help.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is not a new problem.   If you search through consumer reviews at places like http://www.resellerratings.com , you&#039;ll find that many of the Brooklyn based scammeras have been around for years.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Also, there are many comments from consumers indicating that complaints were filed with the Attorney General&#039;s Office for similar tactics used by some of the other Brooklyn based dealers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet, nothing appears to have been done about it (this has been going on for a LONG time).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In other words, I think that the elected officials are most likely corrupt (which is probably why dealers can get away with these types of tactics in Brooklyn).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Bryan Biggers has a pretty good article here that consumers should read:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[url=http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers/DCExperiments/html/body_buying.html]How to Buy a Digital Camera without being Robbed[/url]&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I am a moderator on a Digital Camera forum, and I see this type of thing reported often (almost always from various vendors based in Brooklyn).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure the legal channels are going to help.</p>
<p>This is not a new problem.   If you search through consumer reviews at places like <a href="http://www.resellerratings.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.resellerratings.com</a> , you&#8217;ll find that many of the Brooklyn based scammeras have been around for years.</p>
<p>Also, there are many comments from consumers indicating that complaints were filed with the Attorney General&#8217;s Office for similar tactics used by some of the other Brooklyn based dealers.</p>
<p>Yet, nothing appears to have been done about it (this has been going on for a LONG time).</p>
<p>In other words, I think that the elected officials are most likely corrupt (which is probably why dealers can get away with these types of tactics in Brooklyn).</p>
<p>Bryan Biggers has a pretty good article here that consumers should read:</p>
<p>[url=http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers/DCExperiments/html/body_buying.html]How to Buy a Digital Camera without being Robbed[/url]</p>
<p>I am a moderator on a Digital Camera forum, and I see this type of thing reported often (almost always from various vendors based in Brooklyn).</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18398</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 05:38:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what goes around comes around&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;they deserved it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what goes around comes around</p>
<p>they deserved it</p>
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		<title>By: digital unltd</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18399</link>
		<dc:creator>digital unltd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Dec 2005 01:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_rite_photo&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Priceritephoto wikipedia page - a diggmobb combats fraud&lt;br /&gt;The Priceritephoto story is a historical moment in digg&#039;s history and the internet&#039;s history. Contribute to the wiki article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_rite_photo" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_rite_photo</a></p>
<p>Priceritephoto wikipedia page &#8211; a diggmobb combats fraud<br />The Priceritephoto story is a historical moment in digg&#8217;s history and the internet&#8217;s history. Contribute to the wiki article.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron Krauter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron Krauter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude,&lt;br /&gt;When will it get to your head?? You have been screwed and you still support these people?? What is wrong with you?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is no Ed Lopez and nobody has been fired. Get it? The site was probably taken down by this guy who calls himself Lopez. He then calls you again knowing you would write about it on your blog.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Tell him to stop calling you.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These people are used to stuff like this - they will open a store under a different name and screw someone else that comes along.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ignore them...Peace out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude,<br />When will it get to your head?? You have been screwed and you still support these people?? What is wrong with you?</p>
<p>There is no Ed Lopez and nobody has been fired. Get it? The site was probably taken down by this guy who calls himself Lopez. He then calls you again knowing you would write about it on your blog.</p>
<p>Tell him to stop calling you.</p>
<p>These people are used to stuff like this &#8211; they will open a store under a different name and screw someone else that comes along.</p>
<p>Ignore them&#8230;Peace out.</p>
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		<title>By: Zandr Milewski</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zandr Milewski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think they were hacked, I think they were shut down. You now get a cPanel &quot;Nothing configured here&quot; page, which looks like their ISP yanked them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Given the list of sites that Netcraft says use the same hosting provider, I&#039;d say they got yanked for bandwidth use, not any higher moral standard. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think they were hacked, I think they were shut down. You now get a cPanel &#8220;Nothing configured here&#8221; page, which looks like their ISP yanked them. </p>
<p>Given the list of sites that Netcraft says use the same hosting provider, I&#8217;d say they got yanked for bandwidth use, not any higher moral standard. <img src='http://thomashawk.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: joeconsumer</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/12/priceritephoto-shut-down.html/comment-page-1#comment-18402</link>
		<dc:creator>joeconsumer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 17:19:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with your point that hacking and DoS attacks are not the most legal thing to do, and that, in a perfect world, actions such as filing complaints, writing lawmakers, etc. would ultimately shut operations like this down, in reality, this &lt;b&gt;does not work&lt;/b&gt;.  These guys (and many others) have been in business for many years, and even in cases where they &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; get shut down (which is rare), they just change their names, locations, and websites and start again.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The BBB and everyday consumers don&#039;t have the resources to sue these guys, law enforcement has more important things to do, so usually they have nothing to fear.  Actually, the reason they do persist is the fear that they invoke in the people that &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; complain, through thinly veiled extortion (i.e., threatening to charge your credit card for not doing things their way).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There is an inherent inbalance in these situations, putting the burden on everyday people who most of the time don&#039;t have the time nor money to pursue lawsuits.  I&#039;ve followed this story for the last few days, and I&#039;ve read many comments on eBay and other review sites that are unbelievable regarding pricerite.  I am amazed that companies like this are allowed to operate - that they haven&#039;t been shut down.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I truly believe that priceritephoto has gotten justice, and no matter how much anyone says that this is not the &quot;high&quot; road, I disagree, because the people doing the DoS and continuous calling, etc., are, to me, not doing it for &quot;evil&quot; reasons, but are doing it because it is truly the right thing to do, from what they&#039;ve done to countless others (and this is &lt;b&gt;well&lt;/b&gt; documented).  Once you start profiting from the users of the internet, the &lt;b&gt;only&lt;/b&gt; real &quot;citizens&quot; in this world are the people that visit your site - the collective whole of the internet - and therefore justice should be served &lt;i&gt;by&lt;/i&gt; them.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To me, in a perfect world, there would be a task force that reviews cases such as yours, decides if a company has done wrong repeatedly through publicly available information, and doles out justice (whatever that entails - not necessarily what happened here, but if nothing gets done, then, perhaps).  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To me, &lt;b&gt;this&lt;/b&gt; would be the high road.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with your point that hacking and DoS attacks are not the most legal thing to do, and that, in a perfect world, actions such as filing complaints, writing lawmakers, etc. would ultimately shut operations like this down, in reality, this <b>does not work</b>.  These guys (and many others) have been in business for many years, and even in cases where they <i>do</i> get shut down (which is rare), they just change their names, locations, and websites and start again.  </p>
<p>The BBB and everyday consumers don&#8217;t have the resources to sue these guys, law enforcement has more important things to do, so usually they have nothing to fear.  Actually, the reason they do persist is the fear that they invoke in the people that <i>do</i> complain, through thinly veiled extortion (i.e., threatening to charge your credit card for not doing things their way).  </p>
<p>There is an inherent inbalance in these situations, putting the burden on everyday people who most of the time don&#8217;t have the time nor money to pursue lawsuits.  I&#8217;ve followed this story for the last few days, and I&#8217;ve read many comments on eBay and other review sites that are unbelievable regarding pricerite.  I am amazed that companies like this are allowed to operate &#8211; that they haven&#8217;t been shut down.  </p>
<p>I truly believe that priceritephoto has gotten justice, and no matter how much anyone says that this is not the &#8220;high&#8221; road, I disagree, because the people doing the DoS and continuous calling, etc., are, to me, not doing it for &#8220;evil&#8221; reasons, but are doing it because it is truly the right thing to do, from what they&#8217;ve done to countless others (and this is <b>well</b> documented).  Once you start profiting from the users of the internet, the <b>only</b> real &#8220;citizens&#8221; in this world are the people that visit your site &#8211; the collective whole of the internet &#8211; and therefore justice should be served <i>by</i> them.  </p>
<p>To me, in a perfect world, there would be a task force that reviews cases such as yours, decides if a company has done wrong repeatedly through publicly available information, and doles out justice (whatever that entails &#8211; not necessarily what happened here, but if nothing gets done, then, perhaps).  </p>
<p>To me, <b>this</b> would be the high road.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Dec 2005 16:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Christ, Hawk... get off the high horse.  The fact that your poor choices in vendors was made into the topic du jour of the blogosphere for half an instant makes little difference to anything in the long run.  Thousands of people will have similar events happen to them, without the benefit of your event&#039;s exposure.  Try to find room in your noggin to parse that bit of info amidst all the schadenfreude that is certainly swimming around in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christ, Hawk&#8230; get off the high horse.  The fact that your poor choices in vendors was made into the topic du jour of the blogosphere for half an instant makes little difference to anything in the long run.  Thousands of people will have similar events happen to them, without the benefit of your event&#8217;s exposure.  Try to find room in your noggin to parse that bit of info amidst all the schadenfreude that is certainly swimming around in there.</p>
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