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	<title>Comments on: Nick Starr&#8217;s FlickrLicio.us Banned From Flickr</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18807</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 11:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr?&quot;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Posting whatever they want - Becuase people pay to use the service and as long as the content isn&#039;t illegal then there should be no problem. Some people don&#039;t find boobs offensive and some people find lame ass family photos offensive. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Linking whatever they want - there will certainly be people who abuse the  system, and I can understand badwidth leeches being pruned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr?&#8221;</p>
<p>Posting whatever they want &#8211; Becuase people pay to use the service and as long as the content isn&#8217;t illegal then there should be no problem. Some people don&#8217;t find boobs offensive and some people find lame ass family photos offensive. </p>
<p>Linking whatever they want &#8211; there will certainly be people who abuse the  system, and I can understand badwidth leeches being pruned.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Grundner</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18808</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Grundner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 21:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think apologizing after action has already been taken (which seemed to justified IMHO) sets a bad precedent. Furthermore, I completely agree with Shawn&#039;s statement: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;i&gt;&quot;What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr? Personally if I was the flickr peeps I&#039;d write into their TOS, &quot;we can do whatever we want&quot; and not be apologetic about it.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I recently dealt with a similar situation, and it just lead to more of the same problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think apologizing after action has already been taken (which seemed to justified IMHO) sets a bad precedent. Furthermore, I completely agree with Shawn&#8217;s statement: </p>
<p><i>&#8220;What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr? Personally if I was the flickr peeps I&#8217;d write into their TOS, &#8220;we can do whatever we want&#8221; and not be apologetic about it.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>I recently dealt with a similar situation, and it just lead to more of the same problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Oster</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18809</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Oster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 12:53:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*Yawn*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;You can view it from a &quot;they are targeting us because we show boobs&quot; angle and get all chest-thumpy over it or you can understand that it&#039;s something that grew out of people that wanted to make it easy to share their cool photos with family and friends and not necessarily to become yet another outlet for people to scrounge some T&amp;A.;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr?  Personally if I was the flickr peeps I&#039;d write into their TOS, &quot;we can do whatever we want&quot; and not be apologetic about it.  Oh wait, they do, &quot;we reserve the right to&quot; pretty much says suck it up.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I love breasts, I love hot women,I have a suicidegirls.com subscription but if flickr wants to stop giving boob-ooglers a free bandwidth ride I&#039;m all for it.  &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If flickr gets too much T&amp;A; filtering then some idiot journalist will pick it up, sensationalize it, it&#039;ll get into the mainstream gestalt and when I tell my grandma to go checkout my mom&#039;s 50th birthday party pics she&#039;ll tell me how her friends heard from their kids that flickr was basically a pr0n site and she won&#039;t go there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are so many better outlets to get great pictures of lovely ladies than to siphon off from flickr.  As many pro/am photographers that use flickr there are a ton more people just putting up their vacation/wedding/party pictures and I think that is the idea and image flickr wants to stay with, the personal, *approachable*, easy to use, safe space.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*Yawn*</p>
<p>You can view it from a &#8220;they are targeting us because we show boobs&#8221; angle and get all chest-thumpy over it or you can understand that it&#8217;s something that grew out of people that wanted to make it easy to share their cool photos with family and friends and not necessarily to become yet another outlet for people to scrounge some T&#038;A.;</p>
<p>What makes anyone think they have a *right* to post whatever they want or link to whatever they want on flickr?  Personally if I was the flickr peeps I&#8217;d write into their TOS, &#8220;we can do whatever we want&#8221; and not be apologetic about it.  Oh wait, they do, &#8220;we reserve the right to&#8221; pretty much says suck it up.</p>
<p>I love breasts, I love hot women,I have a suicidegirls.com subscription but if flickr wants to stop giving boob-ooglers a free bandwidth ride I&#8217;m all for it.  </p>
<p>If flickr gets too much T&#038;A; filtering then some idiot journalist will pick it up, sensationalize it, it&#8217;ll get into the mainstream gestalt and when I tell my grandma to go checkout my mom&#8217;s 50th birthday party pics she&#8217;ll tell me how her friends heard from their kids that flickr was basically a pr0n site and she won&#8217;t go there.</p>
<p>There are so many better outlets to get great pictures of lovely ladies than to siphon off from flickr.  As many pro/am photographers that use flickr there are a ton more people just putting up their vacation/wedding/party pictures and I think that is the idea and image flickr wants to stay with, the personal, *approachable*, easy to use, safe space.</p>
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		<title>By: stewart</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18810</link>
		<dc:creator>stewart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted this on Nick Starr&#039;s blog:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;--&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Hi Nick - I was going to comment on the Flickrlicious site, but I didn&#039;t see any way to leave comments there.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I&#039;m not sure what any of this has to do with social networking (??) or Web 2.0: it&#039;s pretty simple. In two parts:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(1) Flicklicious is a business. Flickr isn&#039;t around to serve businesses, but people - we&#039;re quite upfront about the &quot;for personal use&quot; thing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(2) Each Flickrlicious page served ~2-4MB of photos from Flickr. It&#039;s also a popular site. That adds up to gigs and gigs and gigs of transfer a month. Good for Flickrlicious since it saves on bandwidth (and hosting) costs. But it&#039;s bad for Flickr and is an abuse of a system designed to help people get their photos out onto the rest of the web, and not lock them up in Flickr.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;To be perfectly honest, we definitely don&#039;t like the T&amp;A; or XXX angles and we don&#039;t want it associated with the Flickr brand, but that is definitely not the issue. The same thing would happen to an ad-based site serving Flickr photos about horses or sailboats or boogers.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Carry on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted this on Nick Starr&#8217;s blog:</p>
<p>&#8211;</p>
<p>Hi Nick &#8211; I was going to comment on the Flickrlicious site, but I didn&#8217;t see any way to leave comments there.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure what any of this has to do with social networking (??) or Web 2.0: it&#8217;s pretty simple. In two parts:</p>
<p>(1) Flicklicious is a business. Flickr isn&#8217;t around to serve businesses, but people &#8211; we&#8217;re quite upfront about the &#8220;for personal use&#8221; thing.</p>
<p>(2) Each Flickrlicious page served ~2-4MB of photos from Flickr. It&#8217;s also a popular site. That adds up to gigs and gigs and gigs of transfer a month. Good for Flickrlicious since it saves on bandwidth (and hosting) costs. But it&#8217;s bad for Flickr and is an abuse of a system designed to help people get their photos out onto the rest of the web, and not lock them up in Flickr.</p>
<p>To be perfectly honest, we definitely don&#8217;t like the T&#038;A; or XXX angles and we don&#8217;t want it associated with the Flickr brand, but that is definitely not the issue. The same thing would happen to an ad-based site serving Flickr photos about horses or sailboats or boogers.</p>
<p>Carry on!</p>
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		<title>By: Discfree.com</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18811</link>
		<dc:creator>Discfree.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:36:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick Starr was nothing but a two-bit pornographer, who was using Yahoo&#039;s resources for his own gain.  Innovative yes, but he had to know that the party wouldn&#039;t last.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick Starr was nothing but a two-bit pornographer, who was using Yahoo&#8217;s resources for his own gain.  Innovative yes, but he had to know that the party wouldn&#8217;t last.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Grundner</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18812</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Grundner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just looked over the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.flickr.com/terms.gne?legacy=1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;TOS&lt;/a&gt;. It does have a &quot;reserve the right&quot; statement right in the General Conditions.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;b&gt;General Conditions&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br /&gt;* We reserve the right to modify or terminate the Flickr.com service for any reason, without notice at any time.&lt;br /&gt;* We reserve the right to alter these Terms of Use at any time. If the alterations constitute a material change to the Terms of Use, we will notify you via Flickr&#039;s internal messaging service (&#039;FlickrMail&#039;) or via internet mail according to the preference expressed on your account. What constitutes a &quot;material change&quot; will be determined at our sole discretion, in good faith and using common sense and reasonable judgement.&lt;br /&gt;------------------&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now my position has changed. Nick should have known that his little gold mine could potentially come to a close at any time. Moreover, I have no doubt that Flickr will go after those other copy-cat sites if they deem them to be inappropriate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just looked over the <a href="http://www.flickr.com/terms.gne?legacy=1" rel="nofollow">TOS</a>. It does have a &#8220;reserve the right&#8221; statement right in the General Conditions.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br /><b>General Conditions</b><br />* We reserve the right to modify or terminate the Flickr.com service for any reason, without notice at any time.<br />* We reserve the right to alter these Terms of Use at any time. If the alterations constitute a material change to the Terms of Use, we will notify you via Flickr&#8217;s internal messaging service (&#8216;FlickrMail&#8217;) or via internet mail according to the preference expressed on your account. What constitutes a &#8220;material change&#8221; will be determined at our sole discretion, in good faith and using common sense and reasonable judgement.<br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>Now my position has changed. Nick should have known that his little gold mine could potentially come to a close at any time. Moreover, I have no doubt that Flickr will go after those other copy-cat sites if they deem them to be inappropriate.</p>
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		<title>By: Alexander Grundner</title>
		<link>http://thomashawk.com/2005/10/nick-starrs-flickrlicious-banned-from.html/comment-page-1#comment-18813</link>
		<dc:creator>Alexander Grundner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 17:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This really sucks for both Starr and his audience. I can see if there was something in the TOS that said: Flickr reserves the right to remove content posted by its members on the site or off....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;With &quot;reserve the right&quot; being the key. I can also see how a high-profile site using specific content from Flickr could bring/attach negative association with the host service. It&#039;s a catch-22, really. Flickr is growing by leaps and bounds and will most likely come across more unexpected uses of its service that they haven&#039;t planned for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This really sucks for both Starr and his audience. I can see if there was something in the TOS that said: Flickr reserves the right to remove content posted by its members on the site or off&#8230;.</p>
<p>With &#8220;reserve the right&#8221; being the key. I can also see how a high-profile site using specific content from Flickr could bring/attach negative association with the host service. It&#8217;s a catch-22, really. Flickr is growing by leaps and bounds and will most likely come across more unexpected uses of its service that they haven&#8217;t planned for.</p>
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